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Old 08-24-2010, 11:57 PM
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But what I'm saying is it took the 2nd bomb to actually get the emperor to the negotiating table.
And that's ok - since this bomb had the name of a different city already painted on it...
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:39 AM
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And that's ok - since this bomb had the name of a different city already painted on it...
I seem to recall that they had to divert on one of the runs due to weather and the target being obscured...was that the first or second?

Julian: It is one of those misguided things about the war. Both sides thought, at times, that bombing civilians would would weaken their resolve and weaken the enemy's will to make war. I don't think that was ever successful.

Bombing industries was obviously a legitimate exercise and just as obviously worked. The problem was accuracy even when they were going after industrial targets. Factories were close to populations and a LOT of bombs missed. They pretty much had to carpet bomb areas to take out their targets. As usual, civilians paid a heavy price.

I agree with you, Bliss. I wish we would pull back and not be the policemen of the world. Just secure our interests around the world (oil, allies), secure our borders, and let the rest of the world deal with the evil people in power around the globe. I would never want us to get weak again militarily as our "weakness" had been viewed as "opportunity" for aggressors in the past (like Pearl).

We should bring our troops from all around the world home and put out the warning to leave us absolutely alone or else. Trade would be done fairly, no foreign aid. We would make it known that attacks on our shortened list of real allies would be viewed as an attack on the country itself. We would save a ton of money and erase our debt in no time.

The problem is....we would be called back into world politics within a decade or two. China has to go to war with someone sometime soon and there are plenty of other aggressive regimes that would soon get out of control when left to their own devices.

The good news for us would be that once again we would be invited back into world politics like WWI and WWII instead of being seen as "aggressors" as we are now. Face it, no one wants us until they need us.

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Old 08-25-2010, 01:56 AM
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The good news for us would be that once again we would be invited back into world politics like WWI and WWII instead of being seen as "aggressors" as we are now. Face it, no one wants us until they need us.

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And for how long would they view us in a positive way 10 years? A generation ? The United States liberated Europe and they hate us, how long did that take? some people have the attention span of a rock. I say we pull back secure our own country and let the rest have at it. Cheers

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Old 08-25-2010, 02:08 AM
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And for how long would they view us in a positive way 10 years? A generation ? The United States liberated Europe and they hate us, how long did that take? some people have the attention span of a rock. I say we pull back secure are own country and let the rest have at it. Cheers
Weren't you listening? Until they don't need us anymore!

You do realize that we just confirmed every stereotype of the arrogant American some others may have, right? lol. History is a stern master though.

For those commenting on US politics, it's ok. We don't like our politicians either . There is change in the wind though. If those changes do not occur then just leave us alone and we will tear ourselves apart....we do that when left to our own devices. Then we get attacked and unite for a little while....then back to our bickering.

On Rolling Thunder: Not effective (thank Mr. Johnson). Linebacker(s) was effective but was halted due to politics. Here again....don't go to war unless you go all out and mean to win.

But really, this thread is about history.

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Old 08-25-2010, 02:41 AM
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I seem to recall that they had to divert on one of the runs due to weather and the target being obscured...was that the first or second?
Originally, Fat Man was built to force the other party to capitulate.
The fast end oft the war in Europe came faster than expected, consequently the bomb was rescheduled.

It was ment to hit the Führer's party capitol - Nürnberg.
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