Wich joystick to buy?

[zakkandrachoff]

Originally Posted by Armatian

You should really consider two things:

The cyborg stick:

Use freetrack, there's no way you could have the same precision using both mouse & joystick.

There's a simpler software, that worked wonders for me: http://freelook.glenmurphy.com/download.php

very tanks for the data! the more interesting thing in that video is the dead movemment that have the stick and the computer dont register that little movement. cyborg is trash.
i willresearch more info about that Thrustmaster T.16000M and the saitek aviator.
is another good flight stick ??but only one piece, no feedback apart.

[zakkandrachoff]

this saitek x52 is amazing, but more expensive. have everything. and a little mousse control (for doa little view over our head in middle of dogfight) .

[MikkOwl]

Yes, I fight for our cause a bit with Logitech when it comes to the G940...

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The Cyborgs are extremely nasty, and I mean extremely! I handled them. They have a skeletonized structure with adjustable (sounds good on paper but sucks in practice) parts/sections. The thing flexes.. Trying to push a thumb button with the thumb and the whole top part will flex forward, not just the button. I'm glad I tried it before buying before. Junk.

The Saitek Aviator felt pretty good. It is twisty but is more stable/rigid, not flimsy like the Logitech 3D Pro. The design looks good and is very suited for WW2 planes. PC version has a split twin throttle which is cool too - can fly multi-engined planes or have a throttle + prop pitch for example. I tried to order the PC version but they were out of stock everywhere. Only the console versions, which have single throttle only. Went with the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro instead, which I already mentioned. This was before the G940.

I also handled a Logitech Attack3 or whatever it was called. Was even cheaper than the 3D Pro and was not twist stick - I quite liked the feeling of it.

Saitek X52 looked and felt quite nasty. Surprisingly so. G940 feels and looks like a wet dream in comparison.

[SEE]

I have the Cyborg X, it's cheap! The reason that they flex is that all (and there are lots!) of the adjustment points are left loose and need tightening as soon as you take it out of the box. The annoying free play is due to the yoke rake adjustment being held by a spring loaded pin and not a screw. Buttons fall off and need modding too......all easy to do for a DIY enthusiast. I like the layout and it's cheap enough to carry out the improvements and void the warranty. When it finally falls apart, I will get something better. Quality of Madcatz products leaves a lot to be desired but you get what you pay for. I (ab)use it a hell of a lot and it still functions....

[Sokol1]

-If i could buy core logics and pots, happily would make my own, but i don't know how, that's even more difficult here.

To illustrate, this HOTAS of a squad mate is all DIY, he carved the plugs in wood, make molds with fiberglass and mold final grips with fiberglass. Gimbal is automotive U-Joint, and, instead springs use hydraulic dampers - this allow use stick as trim (like in Black Shark): put the plane iin some attitude and hands off the stick, he maintains the position.

Electronics is BU0836, Allegro HALL sensor, commercial switch's and buttons.

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Sokol1

[Armatian]

Awesome setup, i'm clicking as mush ads as i can to buy the bu0836 XD
I'm electromechanical highschool graduate so it's should be doable, but that looks terrific quality, not sure i can replicate all.

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by SEE

I have the Cyborg X, it's cheap! The reason that they flex is that all (and there are lots!) of the adjustment points are left loose and need tightening as soon as you take it out of the box. The annoying free play is due to the yoke rake adjustment being held by a spring loaded pin and not a screw. Buttons fall off and need modding too......all easy to do for a DIY enthusiast. I like the layout and it's cheap enough to carry out the improvements and void the warranty. When it finally falls apart, I will get something better. Quality of Madcatz products leaves a lot to be desired but you get what you pay for. I (ab)use it a hell of a lot and it still functions....

My Cyborg X is still working ok too after a couple of months use. Maybe i'm lucky? No buttons have fallen off yet and the free play is nothing like as big as the one in the video. So i'm happy with it seing as I paid very little for it and I think its an ok stick for PC sim rookies like me, before thinking about a more expensive stick in the future if I get more serious about Sim flying.