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08-13-2010, 12:32 PM
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Thanks a lot, very helpful input. I'm trying to locate thrustmaster and ch distribution in my lame part of the world.
I will avoid saitek low end for now, as i said, i only enjoy driving now that i have logitech g25, it's just that costs so damn much here, i needed to save for 18 months -_- But considering i enjoy just driving, or just flying, checking dials, manual mixture and propeller rpm, i think that serious products or diy is my way to go. Finally i relocated bodnar work, thanks for the links people, i wish i had credit card, i'm doing ptc to have some paypal money now D= PD: FF it's really not a go, i fly occasionally with my father and can assure that feedback is in your butt, not in the stick, unlike driving that is 50-60% wheel feedback. 
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08-13-2010, 12:49 PM
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08-13-2010, 12:54 PM
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I also had an Aviator, and as TheGrunch said I also had calibration and centering problems. Than i bought the thrustmaster Flight Hotas-x and it is awesome. The throttle can be detached, it's very ergonomic and more precise than the Saitek Aviator.
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08-13-2010, 01:23 PM
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The stick itself is pretty well made, unfortunately it lacks some buttons. Worst part: the resistance of the stick is not linear to it's movement range - it increases somewhere at 75% and decreases at 8x%. The throttle is just cheap, the friction is a joke, and the rocker switch is of no use at all since it's an axis. No mapping software either. Conclusion: It's cheap, but it's a crappy hotas too. Go and buy a better "not hotas" stick for the money, or if you want hotas: spend more. Quote:
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08-13-2010, 02:38 PM
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08-13-2010, 01:05 PM
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I have a Logitech Extreme 3D PRO also. It works 'okay'. Has a nasty twist-stick which works very badly and feels loose and nasty, which I wish could be locked somehow. Accuracy is not great either but with curves it is not a big concern. Has a throttle flap for the left hand which works very well if on a desk. The ergonomics are excellent; superbly comfortable to use. Great for the non-hardcore or poorer flight simmer. Something to give to a friend so they can get introduced to something like IL-2 without hassle.
I have a G940 also. It has a lot of good things about it but has some really really nasty driver problems that are infuriating. Especially the 'reversal bug' - has been in existance for a whole year yet Logitech has not yet fixed it. The force feedback is great and apart from the bug, the stick feels like a very solid, high quality item with no flex or twist. Comes with Throttle and Pedals (both severely affected by the reversal bug as of yet). The cost is far too high for the original poster however so just mention it for comparison. I would not recommend it to anyone unless the reversal bug is fixed. My recommendation judging by what the poster asked for would be one of those CH sticks. Accurate, durable workhorses. Force feedback - For sure the G-forces in the whole body are much, much more noticeable than the changing forces in the control stick. But never the less, the real controls, especially in something like a Bf 109 with a single grip stick and very cramped cabin, do change with speed. From very loose to extremely tight. There's also other forces such as vibrations, uneven airflow over wings when near stall or with gears down etc. In reality the whole body is also thrown around along with the vibrations/movements felt in the stick. Force feedback moving the stick around at the right frequency can help simulate the effect of having the real body/arm thrown around. Having no real G-forces to deal with at all, the feeling from force feedback in IL-2 adds a lot for me. Super cool. Downsides is noise, cost, heat, electricity, cabling and the movement/resistance feels more notchy the more resistance there is. Last edited by MikkOwl; 08-13-2010 at 01:08 PM.
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08-13-2010, 01:14 PM
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Ah of course, i forgot hi performance planes, wich of course i haven't flown.
I remember japan ace, saburo sakai noting that rookie kamikazes shouldn't have done dives, because at high speed with big control surfaces, zero's stick became like a rock and they used to water crash low unable to lift. So FF still not a priority for me, but you have made a good point. PD: wow that logitech looks beatiful, maybe i'll be tempted to sell a kidney. Last edited by Armatian; 08-13-2010 at 01:16 PM.
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08-13-2010, 03:13 PM
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 Are the new drivers still not out, MikkOwl?
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08-13-2010, 05:01 PM
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 ----- Building one's own stuff is fun. Or rather designing stuff is fun but building sucks. Takes so much time and is noisy, smelly and too much to go wrong.  When thinking about the cost of things (for example, more expensive controllers compared to cheaper do-it-yourself project) it is not just about money. Imagine that building it will take perhaps 15-40 hours of work (not just assembly but finding the parts, getting the parts, studying guides on how to build, then building, then testing, then arranging/moving stuff around the room to make things fit out of the way, setting up/tuning, practical bla bla). With all this work spent, would it have been possible to work overtime at the workplace instead to afford the more expensive system? Or work extra somewhere? Because if you work 10 hours extra and get a nice working control system with the money, it is much less work, and probably more reliable and much more practical, than paying a bit less money and doing the big project. Just some considerations. Depends what is possible and what is more desirable.
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08-13-2010, 05:25 PM
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 The most worrying things are that looking on their forum, they don't seem to have acknowledged that the reversal bug either exists or is on their priority list to be fixed. Also, the fact that they've destroyed the FFB implementation in Il-2 in the latest firmware is worrying. I really want to get an FFB stick at some point, but this is just putting me off so badly. I wonder whether Maddox Games have been given a G940 to work with to make it compatible with SoW? If it's dodgy with SoW there's no chance I'll ever buy one.
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