Question Regarding Grumman Lawsuit

[ElAurens]

The TBM was not reverse engineered, it was built under license by General Motors, as was the FM2 Wildcat.

Guys, you can carry on about this for 20 more pages, but the simple fact is that if UBI/1C/Maddox Games do not pay the royalty license to Northrop-Grumman, then no N-G owned designs of any kind can be in any sim produced by Oleg.

That's all there is to it.

End of story.

[PE_Tigar]

I say -
1. do not feed the likes of N-G trolls
2. release modeling tools to the masses when time comes to model the a/c in question
3. mission accomplished

In the meantime you Yanks could do something to change your retarded laws. And don't compare Porsche with this, they've never sued anyone for modelling Tiger tank or smt...

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by PE_Tigar

don't compare Porsche with this, they've never sued anyone for modelling Tiger tank or smt...

Maybe not, and good on them for that, but you do know the actual production Tiger was a Henschel design?

[robtek]

Henschel didn't sue also!
Ooops, there will be a Henschel in 4.10. I shure hope nobody gets a idea

[PE_Tigar]

Originally Posted by Igo kyu

Maybe not, and good on them for that, but you do know the actual production Tiger was a Henschel design?

I'm not too much into tanks, but I do know both Porsche and Henschel had designs for Pz. VI, and that the Henschel design won... Anyway, the point was - car designs and weapon designs shouldn't be compared. I mean, when I was in China I was amazed at the number of knock off cars on the road - quite funny, and scary. Now making a digital likeness of a WWII era plane is a different thing altogether...

Which brings in mind another thing - how come those trolls try to sue Oleg, and forget the guys who build scale replicas of P-51s for example?

[Viking]

“Which brings in mind another thing - how come those trolls try to sue Oleg, and forget the guys who build scale replicas of P-51s for example?”

It’s all explained in my previous post, see below.
They, the war industrial complex of USA, live and thrive on the citizen’s fear and ignorance of other nations. The first, second and finally the cold war was a major contribution to their shareholders. Do you seriously think they will voluntarily shift from warships, warplanes, guns etc and start producing bicycle stands, park benches etc ? Think not!

“We must not forget that Grumman et consorties (the "defence" contractors) live on fear. The population must live in fear and a belive that the outside world is evil and that US must use every available dollar to buy moore weapons from the contractors.

Then comes a Russian (one of the evil commies!) guy and gives microsoft a teatching on how a flightsim should look! And then the commie goes on and sort of clames that the Soviets won the war!!
Do you seriusly think that Grumman would slap Oleg on the back? " Congrats comrade you surly made a nice Grumman XXX there! This will cast some light on history and bring our nations together again like old times!"
Think not! “



Viking

[Emperor Norton]

Worth noting it was Northrup Grumman, the leading supplier of military simulators, who sued and not Boeing*, Lockheed or Curtiss-Wright. You want a tin foil hat conspiracy Northrup Grumman was looking to trip up a potential competitor for their golden goose.

* who bought out North American and thus would have rights to the Mustang.

[SlipBall]

I think back then, it was still just plain Grumman ( may be wrong), and they were having financial trouble's...they wanted some cash, but Oleg played hardball

[baronWastelan]

Originally Posted by PE_Tigar

I say -
1. do not feed the likes of N-G trolls
2. release modeling tools to the masses when time comes to model the a/c in question
3. mission accomplished

In the meantime you Yanks could do something to change your retarded laws. And don't compare Porsche with this, they've never sued anyone for modelling Tiger tank or smt...

Porsche during WWII were a design consulting office not a manufacturer and their designs became the property of Porsche's customers i.e. the German govt. For example the VW "beetle" (pre-1998,) is entirely a "Porsche design" but Porsche AG will not make a claim of copyright of the beetle. You'll get sued for making and selling VW beetle models without licensing the design, just not by Porsche AG.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The TBM was not reverse engineered, it was built under license by General Motors, as was the FM2 Wildcat.

Guys, you can carry on about this for 20 more pages, but the simple fact is that if UBI/1C/Maddox Games do not pay the royalty license to Northrop-Grumman, then no N-G owned designs of any kind can be in any sim produced by Oleg.

That's all there is to it.

End of story.

the TBM was sent to GM (?) in a screwed together form so GM could disassemble the plane (reverse engineer) and study it to aid in their manufacturing.

check your il2 plane list again ....


"Over G Fighters" apparently carries (ubisoft release?) NG licensing

you make quite a valid point, Baron, about reproducing a realife replica and selling that as the original (Chinese knock off's, etc) and would be quite correct... change the dimensions slightly and give it a different name, you're home sweet. What we are talking about here though, is a rendered (drawn) image, much like WWII art which featured Spitfires, etc