Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[bf-110]

Can´t wait to fly the Re.2000. (want to fly the 2002 too,and maybe more than the 2000).

Gonna see the Hs-129.Can it be used for heavy fighter role?

[csThor]

P-61 is subject to "the Grumman thingy". Which means it's not for TD.

[Tempest123]

Why are FsX developers allowed to use "Grumman" ect. trademarks? Shame for Il2

[Friendly_flyer]

Originally Posted by csThor

P-61 is subject to "the Grumman thingy". Which means it's not for TD.

Aw, too bad.

[DanLewis]

Are we getting the Italian or Hungarian versions of the RE2000? As I remember it, the Italians weren't fond of it so it mainly went to Hungary and Sweden - with Hungary changing out the engine and armament. It's the latter I'm interested in - an RE2000 without the Breda popguns.

[DanLewis]

Originally Posted by DanLewis

with Hungary changing out the engine and armament. It's the latter I'm interested in - an RE2000 without the Breda popguns.

Damnation - they changed the gun but kept the cartridge (if indeed it can be called that).

[FlyingShark]

Originally Posted by csThor

P-61 is subject to "the Grumman thingy". Which means it's not for TD.

Sorry if this has been covered before but what exactly is "the Grumman thingy"?

~S~

[brando]

Originally Posted by FlyingShark

Sorry if this has been covered before but what exactly is "the Grumman thingy"?

~S~

A copyright issue which reared its head quite a few years ago. Discussion and speculation about it are not encouraged, 'nuff said.

B

[swiss]

Originally Posted by brando

A copyright issue which reared its head quite a few years ago. Discussion and speculation about it are not encouraged, 'nuff said.

B

Maybe it's time to discuss it again?

It seems they changed their Trademark Licensing Policy

Trademark Licensing Policy

TRADEMARK LICENSE
FOR USE WITH PHOTOGRAPHS, ILLUSTRATIONS AND PAINTINGS
NOT OWNED BY NORTHROP GRUMMAN

Background: Northrop Grumman Corporation recognizes that the copyright in a photograph, illustration or painting of a vehicle is owned by the photographer, illustrator or artist, respectively (absent a contractual arrangement otherwise). At the same time, Northrop Grumman, as the manufacturer, owns the trademarks (e.g. "F-14", "Corsair," "Enterprise") in the vehicles it makes. Under the trademark laws of the United States and other countries, a trademark owner risks losing trademark rights if others use those trademarks without permission.

Purpose: Northrop Grumman respects and appreciates the creative talents of the photographic and artistic communities. Northrop Grumman desires to promote the use of its trademarks with photographs, illustrations and paintings by granting a free license to photographers and artists so that Northrop Grumman can maintain its trademark rights while at the same time being minimally intrusive.

License Terms:

1. Northrop Grumman hereby grants a free license to photographers and artists to use Northrop Grumman’s trademarks with his/her photographs, illustrations or paintings, including with any that are sold.
2. The photographer or artist agrees that the quality of his/her photographs, illustrations or paintings that use Northrop Grumman trademarks will: (a) be at least equal to the standards commonly used by the professional artistic and photographic community for illustrations, paintings, and photographs, (b) display the correct name of the Northrop Grumman vehicle(s), and (c) not disparage the name or reputation of Northrop Grumman or violate any laws.
3. The free license does not apply to the use of Northrop Grumman’s trademarks in books, posters or calendars in runs that exceed 5,000. Likewise, the free license does not apply to use of Northrop Grumman’s trademarks for any form of merchandise such as toys, models, clothing, coffee cups, notebooks, electronic or video games, etc. Licenses for such uses are available from

Director, Intellectual Asset Management
Northrop Grumman Corporation
1840 Century Park East
Los Angeles, CA 90067

http://www.northropgrumman.com/ipm/tmpolicy.html

[AndyJWest]

The free license does not apply to the use of Northrop Grumman’s trademarks in books, posters or calendars in runs that exceed 5,000. Likewise, the free license does not apply to use of Northrop Grumman’s trademarks for any form of merchandise such as toys, models, clothing, coffee cups, notebooks, electronic or video games, etc.

It doesn't look like the situation has changed. Northrop Grumman is still claiming to hold copyrights relating to 'electronic or video games'. In any case, as I understand it there was a legally-binding settlement reached, which presumably still stands.

Personally, I have serious doubts that Northrop Grumman's claims would stand up in court, but since it isn't my money to risk, I can't blame software developers for not taking them on. If NG want to erase themselves from history, that is their problem...