Friday 2010-07-09 Dev. update and Discussion Thread

[leggit]

Originally Posted by zapatista

i hope you were referring to the sky when you said the colour range was right, not the scenery

in the most recent screenshots with the low flying cluster of german aircraft over Brittan, the colour of trees and scrubs (and their spacing), looks to me more like the french maquis in a long bleaching summer, then the lush english vegetation in southern england (where i lived for 6 yrs)

since oleg repeatedly stated this is wip and vegetation colours and even trees shapes and types are not final, its not really worth debating if its right or wrong and i am not really concerned

somebody in the last couple of weeks posted 6 or 8 photographs of southern englands scenery (hedges and roads ?), and those colours were spot on from the way i remember them

here they are: posted by major-setback a few weeks ago: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...hedges&page=15

the brightest green ones could have been after a couple of rainy days and then some hot/warm days, and the more washed out greens (still much brighter and more colourfull then the recent ones seen in oleg's latest screenshot) would have been after a week or 2 of summer weather without any rain. maybe we need to have a wip-around and get oleg a package deal for a weekend in southern england, after all it is summer there now and the colors should be about right. anybody here from southern england that can comment more on these colors ?

Sigh....1st of all let me say i've lived in southern england all my life (West Sussex) so i'm well aware of how it looks. you talk about colour as if its a fixed state. It's not it changes constantly. Colour or your perception of colour is determined by all sorts of factors; light weather the seasons time of day. You "remember" southern Britain as lush and green yes it can be, right now because we haven't had any rain in a few weeks its looking rather dry and sunburnt. the grass is all yellow and burnt etc. my point is what you think something should look like and what would be a more realistic depicition are sometimes very different...most people look but only a few see.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by leggit

Sigh....1st of all let me say i've lived in southern england all my life (West Sussex) so i'm well aware of how it looks. you talk about colour as if its a fixed state. It's not it changes constantly. Colour or your perception of colour is determined by all sorts of factors; light weather the seasons time of day. You "remember" southern Britain as lush and green yes it can be, right now because we haven't had any rain in a few weeks its looking rather dry and sunburnt. the grass is all yellow and burnt etc. my point is what you think something should look like and what would be a more realistic depicition are sometimes very different...most people look but only a few see.

Ditto, lived in Kent all my life, and besides from some of the evergreens and areas where there may be more precipitation, leggit is spot on. I mean, we've had really hot weather recently, and then the other day it rains and there's an absence of sunlight and bingo, the grass is already greener

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by leggit

Sigh...

you poor thing, all a bit much for you ?

Originally Posted by leggit

You "remember" southern Britain as lush and green yes it can be, right now because we haven't had any rain in a few weeks its looking rather dry and sunburnt. the grass is all yellow and burnt etc.

yes of course the countryside in england can dry out due to weeks of no rain, but no that doesnt mean that part of england suddenly turns into scenery that resembles the french maquis in the south of france during summer

looking closer at the pictures again, to try and identify what exactly makes the scenery in that recent shot look more southern-france then southern-england to me (cluster of low flying german bombers): i think it is mainly the color of the tree foliage being to light, it should be a much richer lively brighter green (and no, not fluro green like we had a few months ago).

Originally Posted by leggit

my point is what you think something should look like and what would be a more realistic depicition are sometimes very different...most people look but only a few see.

no need for escaping into psychobabble

unless the person is color blind or has some other visual defect, seeing and interpreting the landscape color spectrum around you in real life is no magical mystery tour requiring profound interpretation, it simply is what it is and can be accurately reproduced in visual media like video or photographs.

note: oleg repeatedly stated this is wip and vegetation colours and even trees shapes and types are not final
note 2; the same screenshot i am saying has to much of a bleached look to it in tree/foliage (not the agricultural fields themselves) also for the 1e time starts to show some combined BoB elements of scenery, low flying planes, houses, roads, fields, trees, forest, hedges (yes even a monthy python shrubbery !). oleg posted the picture for that reason i suspect, and it is good to see the project coming together (looks good !)

[philip.ed]

Zapatista, don't get angry because you're wrong. He is 100% correct; as much as the colours will be affected by rain, there was a great absence of this in the major part of the BoB with the weather changing in July to one of the hottest summers in History. If you still live in Blighty, you'd know about this. No need to quote me and explain how I am wrong, both leggit and I are correct, and whilst the colours would be affected by precipitation, an absence of this means that the grass would look exactly like I can see outside. Even with some rain in the past day, the grass is still dry and yellowed.

Also, although the shots posted show all these features together, a set of screens posted last year showed mostly all of the listed features even with smoking chimneys, so apart some very WIP terrain textures we haven't really been shown much more.

[reflected]

Hmmm...the terrain looks very bright indeed, as if it was "Storm of War: Battle for Middle Earth"

Then again, it might be totally realistic. Unfortunately, I'm not British. Can anyone from the Misty Albion tell me how close this is to reality?

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by reflected

Hmmm...the terrain looks very bright indeed, as if it was "Storm of War: Battle for Middle Earth"

Then again, it might be totally realistic. Unfortunately, I'm not British. Can anyone from the Misty Albion tell me how close this is to reality?

Hey mate It's not close to how it would have looked during the BoB. I don't even think that these colours are that apparent in the wetter seasons here in Blighty...



something like this may be closer, but even then the greens may be a bit too lush

[PeterPanPan]

Well, I live in the south east of England, and here's what I can see from my window right now.

We have had very little rain lately, and it's been pretty hot, much like the summer of 1940. The garden on the left sees a lot of activity (kids, not Spits) and is not watered, much like a grass airfield 70 years ago. Looks pretty yellow to me.

The garden on the right has no kids and is watered all the time.

I'm guessing the one on the left is more realistic for 1940 airfield grass. Did people water their gardens in 1940? No idea. Does someone know?

Oh ... not saying which is my garden!!

PPanPan

[reflected]

They say "The neighbour's grass is always greener" so yours must be the one on the left

The in-game shots look a bit on the mynth green side compared to what Philip.Ed posted - me thinks

[PeterPanPan]

Originally Posted by reflected

They say "The neighbour's grass is always greener" so yours must be the one on the left

Darn it, how did you guess?!

PPanPan

[zapatista]

that latest picture from peterpan exactly illustrates my point, one garden might be wattered during drought (and its grass is therefore much greener), but it makes absolutely no difference to the trees and their foliage color on either side, those are exactly the same

disclaimer: these are oleg wip shots we are talking about, with him repeatedly stating colors and textures are not final