I Think We Get It.

[M76]

And I totally disagree. Everyone who has a problem should raise their voice otherwise it will look as if the problem only affected one or two users. This doesn't neccesserily mean open a new topic for the same error mutliple times but at least post a comment in the existing topic saying that yes I had the same problem. Otherwise the bug will go to the bottom of the developers todo list, since they'll see (if they even look at the forum) that only one or two users complained about this, then its not so important to fix.

This board/forum is loaded with multiple & duplicate topics/threads/postings repeating the same old thing.

Its like blaming the cow for giving milk. We don't complain because we like to complain, we complain because we feel ripped off by the developers. And there is no other way to express our dissatisfaction than posting on the boards, and hope that if enought complaints reach the developers they'll try and do something, or at least give a signal that yes we're working on that particular problem, be patient.

Imagine yourself in our place: You go to a shop, buy something and it doesn't work, you take it back to the shop, only to be kicked out by the owner because you're the fivehundredth customer who brought back the same malfunctioning product. Would you give a damn that you're the nth? No, you wouldn't care, because in the end all you're concerned with is that you paid for something and you didn't get what you expected.
Being the 500th to expereince the same problem doesn't make any difference from the users point of view.

If you don't like it, then don't play it!

That's only valid if you got the game for free, but since most people paid for it, the least they could expect is to be able to play the game without constantly bumping into walls.

Try to feel the game and try to have fun with it as I do, and you'll realize that the bugs are silly things that won't take your fun away.

I can't imagine anything more exasperating than having to go back hours or days in the game because of some "silly bug", that would have only taken a few hours to fix. Of course, uncovering the bugs needs months of through testing. But as I've already pointed out they could have had thousands of volunteers for free.

And please don't threat the developers as saviors just because they are (supposedly?) working on a patch, obviously the time they had was more than enough, so after 10 years of doing almost nothing its time to earn their paychecks.

And for the last time noone says that the game in itself is bad. But its unfinished and buggy. Yes its a much better than any of the 18WOS series, but that doesn't compensate for being a buggy piece of you know what.

they help me to enjoy this game more

[USA Trucker]

Originally Posted by M76

And I totally disagree. Everyone who has a problem should raise their voice otherwise it will look as if the problem only affected one or two users. This doesn't neccesserily mean open a new topic for the same error mutliple times but at least post a comment in the existing topic saying that yes I had the same problem. Otherwise the bug will go to the bottom of the developers todo list, since they'll see (if they even look at the forum) that only one or two users complained about this, then its not so important to fix.

I have no problem with this. My statement is for the same people complaining about the same thing multiple times, or creating a new thread repeating the same topic already covered in another thread. Those will be deleted. I'm not going to go all around the board deleting things prior to me being a moderator, but I will delete, or relocate these postings, or threads from here on out. It makes the board crowded, and dis-organized with "look-a-like" threads/postings.

Its like blaming the cow for giving milk. We don't complain because we like to complain, we complain because we feel ripped off by the developers. And there is no other way to express our dissatisfaction than posting on the boards, and hope that if enought complaints reach the developers they'll try and do something, or at least give a signal that yes we're working on that particular problem, be patient.

Before you came on this board, a lot of the complaints were addressed by DonnerWetter (RNR Developer). Also a lot of the complainers here only list complaints, and nothing else. I don't consider them to be very objective people. Many people complain about the game, myself included, but to a large degree we also give some of the good points too. No game is perfect, and no game is all bad.

I can't imagine anything more exasperating than having to go back hours or days in the game because of some "silly bug", that would have only taken a few hours to fix. Of course, uncovering the bugs needs months of through testing. But as I've already pointed out they could have had thousands of volunteers for free.

This is one of the reasons why I have always said to "Have many saved game points". This game is very similar to a Role Playing game. I don't play those games without a zillion save points regardless of bugs, glitches, or a mistake I have made, and want to do it over. It only makes sense.

And please don't threat the developers as saviors just because they are (supposedly?) working on a patch, obviously the time they had was more than enough, so after 10 years of doing almost nothing its time to earn their paychecks.

Nobody ever said they were. All that has been said by me, is that they're working on it. There have been some set-backs, but only to hopefully address many of the issues reported.

And for the last time noone says that the game in itself is bad. But its unfinished and buggy. Yes its a much better than any of the 18WOS series, but that doesn't compensate for being a buggy piece of you know what.

You obviously haven't read the board enough. There are loads of people that claim this game is nothing, but bad. Some just play only to point out the bad, and not the good. That's just a waste of time, and energy that could be best spent on other things. Yes, I do agree with the statement "If you don't like it, don't play it". What I mean by this is.... If they have played it long enough, and made their postings of dis-approval, then just don't play it anymore, and stop coming here trashing it with the same comments that they have already posted. It's as simple as that.

Let's not make this yet another trashing, or rage thread. So far things are going OK. I want to keep it that way.

[M76]

Originally Posted by USA Trucker

Before you came on this board, a lot of the complaints were addressed by DonnerWetter (RNR Developer).

If you say so.

Also a lot of the complainers here only list complaints, and nothing else. I don't consider them to be very objective people. Many people complain about the game, myself included, but to a large degree we also give some of the good points too. No game is perfect, and no game is all bad.

Most games have less problems than this one has. Lets separate the game concept and implementation. In concept this is the best trucking game yet, but in implementation its on the bottom of the list, only a few crappy lowbudget games are worse. And most games don't came out 6-7 years late. I can't imagine how could the publisher have so much patience. And the developers still didn't came through.

This is one of the reasons why I have always said to "Have many saved game points". This game is very similar to a Role Playing game. I don't play those games without a zillion save points regardless of bugs, glitches, or a mistake I have made, and want to do it over. It only makes sense.

I never used many savegames, I only made separate saves at important turning points in games, so I can go back and try out what happens if I make another choice. And I rarely if ever had any problems. You make many separate saves thats your choice but it wouldn't be neccessary if the game was bug free. Anyway making lots of saves only helps in certain cases, and it wouldn't have helped when I realized after playing for a day that I cannot take new orders in warehouses, because the game said I already had one.

Nobody ever said they were. All that has been said by me, is that they're working on it. There have been some set-backs, but only to hopefully address many of the issues reported.

They sure take their time. I know that this is a problem with small developers when they attempt to deliver too much, but that doesn't mean I'm willing to turn a blind eye.

You obviously haven't read the board enough. There are loads of people that claim this game is nothing, but bad. Some just play only to point out the bad, and not the good. That's just a waste of time, and energy that could be best spent on other things. Yes, I do agree with the statement "If you don't like it, don't play it". What I mean by this is.... If they have played it long enough, and made their postings of dis-approval, then just don't play it anymore, and stop coming here trashing it with the same comments that they have already posted. It's as simple as that.

I'm continuing to play (or at least trying to play) but I'm also close to the point where I'll have had enough.

Originally Posted by veemaxis

Now it's me who totally disagree with you.
I have some games here that I DID PAY for them and which at first I thought they'd be fun and cool and I found out they weren't... What did I do? I stopped playing them and that's all.

I'm happy for you, but I don't live in the mighty us of a, or wherever you are, I don't have the money to throw out the window. the avarage annual income here is about 6000$ yes, annual. And the software prices are just the same, or even more since most publishers and companies like to use the 1$ = 1€ conversion, and we have 25% tax on EVERYTHING. What I'm saying is I don't have the luxury to just throw away the game that I spent 40$ on, and go out and buy another that might be better.

To express our unhappyness with something is quite normal for everyone, but blaming the developers and the game itself all around is, TO ME, trying to find someone to put the guilt on. Of course they have some guilt, they've released it as it is, but you should be REALLY FREAKING AWARE to expect some bugs when you bought it, as well as many other games from bigger developers do come out with bugs sometimes.

I never expect any game to be bug-free, but this one is freakin riddled with bugs and errors, and nut just bugs end errors, for example the weather system in completely inoperable.

Now, try to think a little bit. They've launched a game that IS GREAT thoug it is a bit buggy and they wanna keep selling it. If they leave the game as it is, nobody would recommend it and they'll end up loosing money. I don't work for them, I don't know any of them, but I'm pretty sure they're working on something as well as many other game developers who released a game really expected by the gamers, realized it has bugs and then work to fix them so they can keep selling. Have you ever thought on that?

I just can't in good conscience recommend a game this buggy to anyone. The best I can say to anyone who is planning on buying is to wait at least until the next patch comes out, and we'll see how it works out.

[veemaxis]

Originally Posted by M76

I'm happy for you, but I don't live in the mighty us of a, or wherever you are, I don't have the money to throw out the window. the avarage annual income here is about 6000$ yes, annual. And the software prices are just the same, or even more since most publishers and companies like to use the 1$ = 1€ conversion, and we have 25% tax on EVERYTHING. What I'm saying is I don't have the luxury to just throw away the game that I spent 40$ on, and go out and buy another that might be better.

Dude, I'm Brazilian and I assure you that this country has the biggest taxing in the whole world no matter the kind of good it is.
About games, we pay around 52% of taxes of which, 35% is only importing fees, so don't come tell me that you are taxed by 25% on everything, because my situation is worst than yours.

And even with that, I still do what I said and I'm not even rich!

[USA Trucker]

Let's not take this toward that direction. Everyones situation is different regardless what tax bracket your in, or country you're from. This would lead to hard feelings toward one another, and in the end you'll both be right where you are now. It will serve to solve nothing.

[veemaxis]

Originally Posted by USA Trucker

Let's not take this toward that direction. Everyones situation is different regardless what tax bracket your in, or country you're from. This would lead to hard feelings toward one another, and in the end you'll both be right where you are now. It will serve to solve nothing.

Don't bother mate, my post isn't and will never be to harm or lead to hard feelings.

I was just saying that using an "excuse" of high taxing isn't a reason not to put a game aside.

[ReddogTn]

I See the post of alot of players complaing, About how unrealistic the game feels. I thought I would put my 2 cents in. I play almost if not ever 18 Wheeler game out! I drove in 1999 to 2000. I curently went back to driving Little after these game came out. I well say yes it has bugs And some what not real, However its closer than most games as been. Did a great job on showing you what the truck really looks like. Makes Look more Rewarding Than it really is, But never the less I driven almost ever single truck in this game if not all. They hit right on with looks. Handling Well Its a Computer game Lets face it nothing like the real thing. Messed up on not backing though. Should give the drivers a taste to what its like in the real wourld. All and all Good game pretty good job, Could be Better But it does do better than most Driving games. Its is some what close. All thought they make CA look better than it is. lol Been throw all South of Cal And Middle It has different and alot to see, But my Opinion looks better on the game! Person note. To all you play this game in feeling a dream, Or Kids thinking of be coming a driver for real. Be sure thats what you want in life. Its not an easy life High demands! Low cost! If you have a family Even harder!!!! This is best in a single mans wourld. Just thought I would say that, Warn the wanbees thats harder than appears. But Hey This life chooses the driver not the other way around. Be safe For the real drivers, known Enjoy Actting like one! Have fun!

[veemaxis]

Originally Posted by M76

That's only valid if you got the game for free, but since most people paid for it, the least they could expect is to be able to play the game without constantly bumping into walls.

Now it's me who totally disagree with you.
I have some games here that I DID PAY for them and which at first I thought they'd be fun and cool and I found out they weren't... What did I do? I stopped playing them and that's all.

To express our unhappyness with something is quite normal for everyone, but blaming the developers and the game itself all around is, TO ME, trying to find someone to put the guilt on. Of course they have some guilt, they've released it as it is, but you should be REALLY FREAKING AWARE to expect some bugs when you bought it, as well as many other games from bigger developers do come out with bugs sometimes.

Now, try to think a little bit. They've launched a game that IS GREAT thoug it is a bit buggy and they wanna keep selling it. If they leave the game as it is, nobody would recommend it and they'll end up loosing money. I don't work for them, I don't know any of them, but I'm pretty sure they're working on something as well as many other game developers who released a game really expected by the gamers, realized it has bugs and then work to fix them so they can keep selling. Have you ever thought on that?

For me, it's as simple as that :

- Customer not happy --> customer complain.

This forum is my interface with the company.

Cause I'm not sure that a frustrated customer would be very happy to see that his problem wasn't taken in account.

[USA Trucker]

@Centy2010
You really need to re-read my post as I made it clear on how I will go about this. I don't arbitrarily delete threads, or postings. 95% of them I relocate the proper thread, as many have found out by now. I follow the rules. It is the moderators discretion to delete duplicate, or similar threads, and posts, especially from the same poster. I don't have to confer on this. It's a judgment call. If the poster has a complaint, they can contact Nite-it, or Sneaksie. I'm quite sure they are reading my inputs/remarks, and I have not broken any rules. Frustration is one thing, flooding the board is another.

I have received numerous compliments with regards to cleaning up the board. I'm not going to stop doing my job because, a selected few choose to repeat themselves, and trash this game at every opportunity because, they have nothing better to do. You seem to dissect everything I say, and put things in that aren't there without really reading. If you read it you'll find you're in error. This is the second time you tried to make me look less then competent, or questioned my decision, and authority. I have warned you about this before. Now you can take a break for a week.