Whats the best plane for Dog fights?

[rakinroll]

Originally Posted by SG1_Gunkan

Mi favourite dogfighters in game are the FW190D9 and FW190A8. Ta152C was better than these previous planes in reality, but not in the sim, is completelly underpowered.
Just fight over 6K and this two beauties are doomed.

I would like to see you in an A8 making defensive maneuvers mate.

[David603]

Originally Posted by rakinroll

I would like to see you in an A8 making defensive maneuvers mate.

Agreed.

A Fw190 of any type caught in a defensive position by a fighter like a Spitfire IX will almost certainly be destroyed, barring having a lot of altitude to dive away or interference from friendly aircraft.

Not that the Fw190 can't be a very effective fighter, but it bleeds energy very rapidly when forced into defensive manoeuvres, and lacks the energy building potential and low-medium speed manoeuvrability that some of the other top range fighters like the Spitfire IX 25lbs, LA7 or Bf109K4 have.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by David603

Agreed.

A Fw190 of any type caught in a defensive position by a fighter like a Spitfire IX will almost certainly be destroyed, barring having a lot of altitude to dive away or interference from friendly aircraft.

Not that the Fw190 can't be a very effective fighter, but it bleeds energy very rapidly when forced into defensive manoeuvres, and lacks the energy building potential and low-medium speed manoeuvrability that some of the other top range fighters like the Spitfire IX 25lbs, LA7 or Bf109K4 have.

I would add that it does depend on the position and some other variables... D9s for instance are good accellerators and have the potential to to extend while the Antons at least the later ones are a bit lacking.

Early War Antons are more like the Dora series. They have enough accelleration to get away from Spits.

The last set of planes you posted are what I consider abnormally good planes. Spit 25 and LA7s are a bit on the silly side in terms of performance and render any Anton obsolete. A Dora might have a chance. The regular K4 is a good plane but not on part with the former. I would say the K4 C3 can put up a much better fight though I still say it goes to the Spit 25 and the LA7.

[Ernst]

I-16 RATA and I-153. Simple turn and go hth, "cheater" ammunition gives pk 70% times.

Mig ammunition the same, but turns less. "Hyper full mega master power highlander pk ammunition"

[David603]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

I would add that it does depend on the position and some other variables... D9s for instance are good accellerators and have the potential to to extend while the Antons at least the later ones are a bit lacking.

Early War Antons are more like the Dora series. They have enough accelleration to get away from Spits.

The last set of planes you posted are what I consider abnormally good planes. Spit 25 and LA7s are a bit on the silly side in terms of performance and render any Anton obsolete. A Dora might have a chance. The regular K4 is a good plane but not on part with the former. I would say the K4 C3 can put up a much better fight though I still say it goes to the Spit 25 and the LA7.

I meant to put Bf109K4 C3, like you said the regular K4 is somewhat lower in performance, and since the only assets a late model Bf109 pilot has are top speed, climb rate, acceleration and to a lesser extent low speed handling, you want to have as much of these attributes as possible.

Of course, your right, the Spitfire IX 25lbs, LA7, Bf109K4 C3 and Fw190D9, along with the Ki-84, are very much the best rides in the sim (although mod users like myself have access to some other aircraft I would put in the same category, ie Spitfire XIV, P51-D, Ta152C, Tempest 13lbs etc), and as such you can expect to come across these aircraft very regularly online, so how your chosen ride copes with these aircraft is very important.

[AndyJWest]

you can expect to come across these aircraft very regularly online

... on some servers. If all you are interested in is a furball dogfight, then pick your favourite uber-plane. I got bored with this sort of online experience quite quickly. I'd rather have a limited planeset, and more realistic goals. Flying the 'best plane' is less satisfying than being the 'best pilot', or at least doing the best you can.

[IceFire]

I really enjoyed some of the I-16 Type 5 versus G.50 and Cr.42 dogfights that I've jumped into more recently. Those are always a blast and the usual dogfight experience changes considerably.

Best is always determined by what the planeset/time period is and of course the pilots.

[David603]

Agreed.

The early war scenarios can be at least as much fun

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by David603

I meant to put Bf109K4 C3, like you said the regular K4 is somewhat lower in performance, and since the only assets a late model Bf109 pilot has are top speed, climb rate, acceleration and to a lesser extent low speed handling, you want to have as much of these attributes as possible.

Of course, your right, the Spitfire IX 25lbs, LA7, Bf109K4 C3 and Fw190D9, along with the Ki-84, are very much the best rides in the sim (although mod users like myself have access to some other aircraft I would put in the same category, ie Spitfire XIV, P51-D, Ta152C, Tempest 13lbs etc), and as such you can expect to come across these aircraft very regularly online, so how your chosen ride copes with these aircraft is very important.

Mustang 3 and P-51D are the 2 best prop pulled fighters of the game. Stock, unmodded game.

Mustang 3 can outrun any prop plane, and outclimbs all but Bf 109 K-4 C3. It easily outturns all 190s and all 109s but the G2, which turns roughly as well. P-51D is not so impressive, but it still has speed advantage(depending on altitude) against almost anything it has to face, outturns all 190s and most 109s, but has better cockpit visibility and armament over the Mustang 3. They are good 1 vs 1, and many vs. many using proper tactics, its a shooting range against just about anything.

The "dogfight" can be more than turning near the stalling speed at 0 altitude.

[David603]

Originally Posted by Erkki

Mustang 3 and P-51D are the 2 best prop pulled fighters of the game. Stock, unmodded game.

Mustang 3 can outrun any prop plane, and outclimbs all but Bf 109 K-4 C3. It easily outturns all 190s and all 109s but the G2, which turns roughly as well. P-51D is not so impressive, but it still has speed advantage(depending on altitude) against almost anything it has to face, outturns all 190s and most 109s, but has better cockpit visibility and armament over the Mustang 3. They are good 1 vs 1, and many vs. many using proper tactics, its a shooting range against just about anything.

The "dogfight" can be more than turning near the stalling speed at 0 altitude.

Of course, otherwise I would have a very low opinion of the Fw190

I'd forgotten the Mustang III was a stock aircraft, but in any case it does not outclimb the Spitfire IX 25lbs, and the Fw190D9, LA7 and Ki-84 are all very close in performance, and some even outclimb it at certain altitudes.

Sure, its fast and more agile than the late war German fighters, but the armament of 4x.50cals are barely adequate at best, and inadequate to stand any real chance of getting snapshots on the tough Dora 9 and Bf109G-K models.

In the right hands the Mustang III or P51D can be very effective, but its not as overwhelmingly powerful as you have suggested.

For the sake of the P51 pilots its perhaps just as well they don't have to face the Spitfire 25lbs and the even more deadly Spitfire XIV, which I would rate as a superior fighter to any Mustang in either modded or unmodded versions of Il2.