Patch 4.10 - Development Updates by Daidalos Team

[Ernst]

I would like to ask a question about new g loading limits in 4.10: All fighters with no bombs, no rockets and no fuel tank ll have the same structural g loading in service limits, i mean 8G? Or this structural limit ll vary from aircraft to aircraft based on its project? For example, russian and japanese fighters wooden builded ll have minor structural in service limits?

There ll be some kind of reference where i ll known about my aircraft limits? Thank you!

[AndyJWest]

Originally Posted by Ernst

I would like to ask a question about new g loading limits in 4.10: All fighters with no bombs, no rockets and no fuel tank ll have the same structural g loading in service limits, i mean 8G? Or this structural limit ll vary from aircraft to aircraft based on its project? For example, russian and japanese fighters wooden builded ll have minor structural in service limits?

There ll be some kind of reference where i ll known about my aircraft limits? Thank you!

Were many WWII Japanese aircraft of wooden construction?

In any case, aircraft are designed to known G limits, and I know of no evidence that these G limits were typically different for wooden aircraft than for metal ones of a similar type. Ideally, TD should probably work with the known G limits for a type, but this may not always be available. Where they aren't, suggesting that 'it's wooden, so it must be weaker' is based on a dubious premise at best.

[Adwark]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

Can you support your claim?

To my knowledge, wood, being a natural composite, is, actually, less affected by fatigue, then crystalline material such as metal.

I'd really like to see a Wöhler diagram for both wooden composite and aluminum spar of equal terminal strength...

So, now I was can support more correctly my claim about wood and metal construction difference. I was find in the Internet the reference book by plane calculation on strength. This book is in Russian ( I was hope you can translate it ) printed at 1954 the state publishing house of the defensive industry, Moscow and called "Plane calculation on strength". Here is a link to this book http://www.vokb-la.spb.ru/contents/46/index.html . Book included tons of formulas for plane metal and wood constructions calculation and have a strength tables of different materials used in aviation industry. Of course all this formulas isn't real using in game, but may be you can find here some interesting features, what can be included in future patches. And thank DT for yours fantastic work.

[bf-110]

Originally Posted by IceFire

No and this has been known for at least a couple of years. After Storm of War (which is focused on the Battle of Britain) is finished they will be working on a content package for North Africa and presumably beyond that. It can't stay at the Battle of Britain for too long or people will probably start to get bored... introduce something that has never been properly done like North Africa into the mix and things get interesting.

I'm also looking forward to more high fidelity East and West fronts later on.

Well,except from the maps,can we still have a taste of Italy in IL2?

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Were many WWII Japanese aircraft of wooden construction?

In any case, aircraft are designed to known G limits, and I know of no evidence that these G limits were typically different for wooden aircraft than for metal ones of a similar type. Ideally, TD should probably work with the known G limits for a type, but this may not always be available. Where they aren't, suggesting that 'it's wooden, so it must be weaker' is based on a dubious premise at best.

Some Metal plates, like an aluminium plate has more ductility than wood. Ductility is a mechanical property used to describe the extent to which materials can be deformed plastically without fracture. Ductility is especially important in metalworking, as materials that crack or break under stress cannot be manipulated using metal forming processes

If aluminium plates deforms due to excessive forms it returns to its natural position in most times or smashes. Wood not, it brokes.

[Ernst]

If aluminium is not better, what was the advantage to use expensive aluminium plates instead wood? Was better to build wooden aircraft if aluminium was not expensive?

They used wood cause aluminium was expensive or not available in quantity in some countries.

[AndyJWest]

Simply referring to 'wood' or 'metal' is almost meaningless. Aircraft are bulit out of specified materials, not vague descriptions. Which would work better, a longbow built out of yew, or one made out of cast iron?

If metal plates deforms due to excessive forms it returns to its natural position in most times. Wood not, it brokes.

If you deform a material beyond its elastic limit, it deforms. Aircraft designers know this, and design accordingly.

I suggest you do a little research into structual engineering in general, and aircraft design in particular, before you make any more sweeping statements of the relative benefits of wood vs metal construction.

[Ernst]

Ok mr. knowns all, may it is better to build in wood. Aluminium has no advantage and is expesinve... and mosquisto was not made for hard manouvering or high gs, but for speed.

It is certain that wooden construction is lighter, and allows more acelleration. But linear acellaration or level speed has nothing with structural resistance.

Post this photo is the same to say, in actual context, that mosquito wooden construction allowed it hard manouvering. May you ll post a Zero photo. Yes Zero wooden construction allowed it good manouvering, but only at lower speeds, this mean less gs. All question is about gs.

Yes i ll study more about structural resistance, and you? There is a great chance that both are wrong. Hehe...

And i asked to TEAM Daidalos guys not you, they are studying to model the planes. If they say that i am completely wrong i accept.

[AndyJWest]

I'm not saying that 'metal' or 'wood' are better, I'm saying that you need to be specific about the materials you are talking about before you can make comparisons. You also need to undertand that aircraft are designed to withstand known loads, not thrown together with whatever material is available. I'm sure TD know this, and don't need vague generalisations to decide on structural strength modelling and G limits.

Do you have any evidence that the DH Mosquito was designed to lower G-loading standards than similar metal-construction aircraft? If you do, I'd like to see it.

[nearmiss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cb6SmK_c2g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIbcU8CNY90

If you double click on the 2nd video it will take you to the videos. I only posted a link to the 1 of 5