Civilians?

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by zauii

Besides why would we be interested in a simulated world, we are here for a flight sim.

Perhaps because airplanes are flown in the world? .......Just sayin'.

[Daniël]

Some ideas for the future: Maybe actions of resistance groups can be modelled or the airforce can help the resistance, like this: Some Mosquitos bombed a Gestapo-headquarter in Denmark at the 25th of March 1945 so all the prisoners could escape. (You can find the story and some more stories at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havi...tional_history.)

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by Novotny

When someone finally builds the absolute-universe emulator, you and I will both be dead and will not care for one.

But, at least you'll be emulated...

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by Daniël

Some ideas for the future: Maybe actions of resistance groups can be modelled or the airforce can help the resistance, like this: Some Mosquitos bombed a Gestapo-headquarter in Denmark at the 25th of March 1945 so all the prisoners could escape. (You can find the story and some more stories at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havi...tional_history.)

The Lysander is being modelled as an AI aircraft...

So we can certainly hope.

[Novotny]

Originally Posted by fireflyerz

Hmmm , I seem to remember another groupe of people who went around telling others what they could and couldnt say and how they should and should'nt be thinking... now what were they called , oh well perhaps it will come to me later.

Lol! We're not trying to be nazis about it, it's just that quite a lot of people have very unrealistic expectations which they can be quite adamant about. I do try to be polite in my posts, but it's tiresome to read well thought-out, highly detailed but completely unrealistic requests.

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by fireflyerz

Hmmm , I seem to remember another groupe of people who went around telling others what they could and couldnt say and how they should and should'nt be thinking... now what were they called , oh well perhaps it will come to me later.

hmmm ... priests ?

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Insuber

hmmm ... priests ?

Bingo! Some people's expectations are really starting to get quite ridiculous. This game has enough of a hype-complex already without people being so silly.

[AndyJWest]

Quite right Grunch.

Perhaps Oleg should release two versions of SoW:BoB: a flight sim for the 'realists', and a 'universal simulator' for the dreamers. Expected release dates are 'realist' version within six months*, 'dreamers'... well never really, they can think of new things to add faster than anyone could possibly program them in...

*Ok, maybe I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

[zauii]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Quite right Grunch.

Perhaps Oleg should release two versions of SoW:BoB: a flight sim for the 'realists', and a 'universal simulator' for the dreamers. Expected release dates are 'realist' version within six months*, 'dreamers'... well never really, they can think of new things to add faster than anyone could possibly program them in...

*Ok, maybe I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one...

Well said, at least there are a few folks with brains around here

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

I had a favorite mission that I had made in IL2. It was a ground based mission that had 50 vehicles on the road. They were jeeps, buses, fuel trucks all on the roads as singles, through out the scope of the map. My machine seemed to handle it well, but I had a hell of time finding many of those moving possible target's. Its a big map, with lots of roads and eyestrain, looking and searching non stop. But when one was found, it sure was fun to make an ID with a low pass, and if one of ours I would tip my wings and move on. If Oleg could offer human figures in the objects list, I think it would add a lot to the map, while not causing too big of a PC hit. The vehicles could always be just added by the mission designer.

exactemundo !

there are several problems with the current empty and dead il2 world we have now, and by the sounds of it oleg recognizes this to and is in the process of addressing both elements

1) for the lifeless empty world of il2, oleg is now adding "life"
- some animals will be added as static objects and have been confirmed (? cows, horses, sheep in fields ?). and some bird groups/flocks will fly around and exist as "objects" you might hit (bird strike)
- i hope this will include some further objects like tractors moving around in fields, some civilian cars/trucks/bicycles on roads (driving a preset trajectory or loop probably). civilian ships on the water to, fishing boats have been seen in screen shots already.
- airfields will have a certain amount of AI ground activity now, probably jeeps and trucks driving around. ambulances and fire crews responding to damaged aircraft landing is likely. refuel and rearming on the ground will get some sort of animated ground crews

2) the other aspect is having to identify ground targets before you engage them, so it isnt the current "shoot anything that moves".
- even over enemy territory there should be civilian traffic, and penalties for hitting them (even some civilian air traffic ?)

about having individuals modeled and function in an animated form, we already had the single cyclist modeled in il2, having more of this type of single human action should be a logical progression for BoB (farmer in field, a pedestrian walking around in town, single mechanic/technician/pilot walking around the airfield, civilian cyclist on road ?). the articulated skeleton oleg developed for pilot and aircrew could be adapted to function in that role i presume (maybe in a lower detail mode, like the ships/vehicles are lower detail then the high polygon aircraft.
- i havnt seen oleg post much about it so far (other then as human animations he is planning on for refueling/rearming etc), but if it is possible in the new engine and he adds a few "active" objects like this, then it can be added on or expanded on later (3e parties being able to develop this further ?)
- modeling groups of individual humans marching/moving will probably be the most difficult from a technical point for programmers and seems unlikely for a while. like troops marching on their way to the front, columns of prisoners, roads clogged with refugees, etc .. and would be the most cpu/gpu hogging.

what i am hoping for in BoB, and there are direct confirmations that oleg is adding several of these elements already, is to get a living breathing active world to have our air war in.

to take this one step further, i am hoping we will also be able to fly some transport and resupply missions in unarmed or even civilian planes (mail, parts, troop transport etc). i initially this might be missions like flying supplies into Stalingrad for the germans, air dropping some allied supplies to the french resistance at night at a specific grid position (with points obtained depending on accuracy), picking up downed pilots from french fields, etc.. other missions might be flying photo reconnaissance over enemy lines etc

hopefully eventually the dynamic campaign engine will be able to "task" missions like that in the same way that combat missions are available for fighters and bombers.