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03-04-2010, 09:02 AM
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Oleg, try asking PPRUNE
Oleg,
PPRUNE, Professional Pilots Rumour Network, is a UK forum and has a section called Aviation History and Nostalgia. It is frequented by very knowledgeable people with a keen interest in military aviation. There may be a difficulty concerning your commercial aims - the forum is wary of commerce - but I expect that a carefully worded request for information, that would ensure your accurate portrayal of medals, would receive a kindly response. http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia-86/ Good hunting, Tanimbar 
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#13
03-04-2010, 10:54 AM
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Further to my earlier post, there is a very useful pdf file with pictures of all medals issued by the UK. Not all will be relevant, but this is an official MOD document which you can download here.
I am also waiting on confirmation from the Joint Personnel Administration Centre at the MOD for the exact medal position in 1940 for RAF personnel. PPanPan
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03-06-2010, 02:42 PM
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You may remember me from our other discussions... ;o) I am in India enjoying a vacation travelling on a motorcycle, but I cannot resist looking at the advancement of my favorite game. Here is the answer to your question. It is simple, but also complicated. The British Army, Navy and Airforce had a class system, that is, they differentiated between Officers and ordinary soldiers. This applied to the awarding of medals, except in the lowest case, "Mentioned in Despatches", and the highest case, the Victoria Cross. The British did not like to give out many medals, they gave out less than other nations, and had less types. Below are the ONLY awards for bravery. All other awards were for non combat service or ordinary service. Here are the awards for those pilots who are of rank below Officer, ie. Sergeant or Flight Sergeant. These awards are in order of importance, from lowest to highest. Mentioned in Despatches: This is a low level award, when a pilot has done favourably, his success can be mentioned in the Official British Military Despatch for the day in the London Gazette newspaper. (which is written every day) The award is an Oak Leaf, and can be seen at this link where one is being sold on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=200350019726 Wiki Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mentioned_in_Despatches Distinguished Flying Medal This is the first real medal, only awarded to ordinary pilots. A pilot can be awarded many of these, if he gains a second award, the original medal has a 'Bar' added, which is a silver bar across the ribbon. Wiki Page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Flying_Medal Distinguished Conduct Medal This is the second most important medal an ordinary pilot can win, showing extreme bravery, equivalent to an Officer winning a Distinguished Service Order. Again, there can be several of these medals awarded to the same person, again, if this happens, the original medal is shown with a 'Bar' for each additional award. Wiki page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disting..._Conduct_Medal And finally, there is the Victoria Cross, which can be awarded to either ordinary pilots, or Officers, the very highest award, normally only awarded for extreme personal bravery in the face of the highest challenge. There can also be more than one VC awarded, again, additional are shown by 'Bar', but this is EXTREMELY rare. Wiki Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Cross Officer's medals Mentioned in Despatchs (same as above) Distinguished Flying Cross This is the same importance as the Distinguished Flying Medal, except it is only given to Officers. A pilot could win a Distinguished Flying Medal when he was a Sergeant, then win a Distinguished Flying Cross when he became an Officer. Multiple awards are show with a "Bar". Wiki Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disting...Cross_%28UK%29 Distinguished Service Order This is the second most important medal an Officer can be awarded, usually only awarded to Squadron Leader or higher rank. Additional awards are shown with a 'Bar'. Wiki Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disting..._Service_Order Victoria Cross Same as for ordinary pilots, only awarded for extreme personal bravery, very rare. Wiki page same as above. >>> There were also Campaign medals, awarded to pilots who just participated in fighting on a front. For example a pilot fighting in the Battle of Britain, even if he had no success, would be awarded the 1939-1945 Star with Battle of Britain clasp: Wiki Page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939-1945_Star Hope this is useful information. 
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#15
03-06-2010, 05:48 PM
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"You forgot Poland"
Hi!
It's my first post here and i must say: "You forgot Poland"!  In BoB period many polish RAF sqadrons pilots and foregin pilots too, awarded from Polish Government in Exile (I mean Polish Commander-in-Chief gen. W. Sikorski). I'm not history expert but I know few military awards that, i post here few wiki links... sorry bout' that...  Polish Military Awards given in 1940r: Nice page: http://home.golden.net/~medals/exile.html Virtuti Militari Cross http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuti_Militari  Here is translate page(from polish) about this award in Polish Air Force during WW II: http://translate.google.pl/translate...ml&sl=pl&tl=en Cross have 5 classes and Star(in I class). Dimensions: I class = Grand Cross with Star (Wielki)– 62 x 62 mm; crown 30 x 36 mm, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rand_Cross.jpg http://home.golden.net/~medals/0267.jpg Star http://home.golden.net/~medals/0269.jpg II class - Commander's Cross (Komandorski) – 54 x 54 mm; crown 23 x 33 mm, http://home.golden.net/~medals/00272a00.jpg http://home.golden.net/~medals/00272r00.jpg III class - Knight's Cross (Kawalerski) - 44 x 44 mm, http://www.numizmatyka.waw.pl/sklep/...1939-roku_3875 IV class - Golden Cross – 39 x 39 mm, http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._from_1813.png V class - Silver Cross – 38 x 38 mm. http://www.numizmatyka.waw.pl/sklep/...1939-roku_3803 http://www.numizmatyka.waw.pl/sklep/...1939-roku_3802 I think in game would be only IV and V class... and maybe III... II and I class cross is very important award so i think there was imposslible to award normal pilot, not commander, Cross of Valour The medal was introduced at the height of the Polish-Soviet War. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Valour_(Poland) It is most 'common' military award in BoB period, similar to Silver Star, Croix de Guerre and Iron Cross. Quote:
Important is the date 1920 at the bottom of cross. Photos: http://www.numizmatyka.waw.pl/sklep/...1939-roku_2608 http://historia.wiszowaty.pl/wiszowa...walecznych.jpg http://www.muzeum-ak.krakow.pl/odzna...alecznychn.jpg Cross of Merit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Merit_(Poland) It is civil medal but it was given to militarymen too. But When gov ordered Cross of Merit with Swords in 1942 it is back to civil nature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Merit_with_Swords.Wound Badge Similar to Purple Heart Medal. Injured 1 time http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iazdki_BAR.png Injured 2 times http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iazdki_BAR.png Injured 3 times http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...iazdka_BAR.png Medal za Ratowanie Ginących(rescue of "dying people") Civil and military award for rescue of "dying people" (Ginących). For saveing polish peoples in Poland and in other countries. Polish wiki source: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_z..._Gin%C4%85cych Air Force Service Medal 1939-1945 After war award for a 6 months in front service and 12 months out of front. http://www.ww2awards.com/award/168 Polish: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_Lotniczy Order for a long duty: Here is orginal order for infantrymen from 1938' http://www.numizmatyka.waw.pl/sklep/...1939-roku_2556 Insignia Flying Personnel: I think it's similar in 1940. But if someone hv better knowledge about that, i would agree with... Translate from polish: http://translate.google.pl/translate...39&sl=pl&tl=en Photos: http://forum.valka.cz/attachments/6967/skalski8.jpg http://www.numizmatyka.waw.pl/sklep/...-1939-roku_275 I think when in Battle of Britain Polish RAF 303sq was one of the best RAF squadron (if not the Best of all RAF squadrons in BoB period of course..) would be nice to see that kind of military awards.  Example: Josef František was awarded: czech War cross 1939 czech Medal for Bravery czech War Medal "Za Zasługi" II class pol Silver cross War Award Virtuti Militarii pol Cross of Valour - 3 times British Distinguished Flying Medal - 2 times (DFM with Bar) - as a first no british British 1939-1945 Star with (klamrą?) "Battle of Britain" Fr War Cross (Croix de Guerre) Sorry for my very bad EN. 
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03-06-2010, 08:39 PM
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The Victoria Cross should only VERY rarely be awarded. Actually, you'd be better off not including it as a possible award at all, than to have it awarded too easily.
I'd hate to finish a sortie, read the debrief and think "Oh, I've won a VC. That's nice." The vast majority of British servicemen and women would never see such an award, and to have one pop up mid-campaign would be incongruous to say the least. I like the sound of "Mentioned in Despatches" though. That has a nice ring to it. T
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03-06-2010, 11:16 PM
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On August 16th 1940, 23-year-old Flight Lieutenant James Nicolson of No. 249 Squadron was scrambled from Boscombe Down, Wiltshire, flying Hurricane P3576 of Red Section with Squadron Leader Eric King and Pilot Officer Martyn King The pilots were to intercept and attack BF110's approaching Southampton from Gosport where a large raid was building up. The invaders had been sighted and Red Section dived towards the BF110's when, suddenly, a Staffel of BF109's jumped them from above. All three Hurricanes were hit. Squadron Leader King, the least badly damaged, broke off his attack and returned to Boscombe Down. Pilot Officer King abandoned his burning Hurricane and baled out. Four cannon shells hit Flight Lieutenant Nicolson's aircraft. One destroyed the perspex hood subsequently damaging his left eye and temporarily blinding him with blood. The reserve petrol tank was also struck along with his left leg. The Hurricane was now ablaze with the instrument panel melting, his hands blistering from the heat and his trousers on fire Whilst preparing to bale out, a BF110 appeared in front of him. He slid back into his burning cockpit and continued flying the Hurricane after the enemy. Closing in, Nicolson opened fire and although the BF110 took evasive action to avoid the bullets, it was sent crashing into the sea Finally baling out of his stricken aircraft, Nicolson had sustained severe burns to his hands, parts of his face, his eyelid was torn and his foot badly wounded. His ordeal however, was not quite over. While descending towards the ground some Local Defence Volunteers (LVD), under orders, opened fire with rifles at what they believed to be enemy parachutists. Pilot Officer King had his parachute badly damaged and plummeted to his death. Flight Lieutenant Nicolson, in great pain, landed alive with further wounds received from shotgun pellets He was rushed to The Royal Southampton Hospital where he made a full recovery and returned to active duty during late 1941. His bravery and disregard for his own life in defence of his country earned him the Victoria Cross, which was awarded on 15th November 1940. Tragically, he went missing while flying as a passenger in Liberator over the Bay of Bengal on 2nd May 1945. ------------------------------
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03-08-2010, 10:13 PM
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Hello
Oleg here is the WEB SITE where you can find all the information that you need. it has all of the awards and the critera needed ( incomplete) in some case of course like the George Cross/medal which you would not use because it was instituted June 24th, 1941. there is no reason why you couldn't use the Military Cross normally given for ground action but there are pilots who were awared this honor http://www.ww2awards.com/ EDIT : after further research there are some errors on this web site I have done a lot more research and have found a very credible web source,I am in the process of gathering this information and will post shortly BUZZSAW is only partially correct in his post but he got me started in doing a much more through research Last edited by Icewolf; 03-09-2010 at 04:49 AM.
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03-09-2010, 05:55 AM
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http://www.wauchope.ca/~flanders/Bri... including.doc
I believe this document is accurate up to OCTOBER 1940.... if anyone finds errors ...please post corrections for Oleg I left Buzzsaws description of dispatches out of this DOC file ,he describes it much better than I as you look through this document you will see, as Buzzsaw described, that rank played an important part in what awards a person recieved Last edited by Icewolf; 03-09-2010 at 06:07 AM.
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