Friday 2010-02-05 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread

[Chopa]

This may be nit-picking but..... The Irvin jackets pockets are vertical on the sides, not diagonal on the front as in the illustration.HERE
The officers' cap crown is too small. The RAF sidecap has a brass RAF badge on the left front.HERE
The Sergeant is wearing a Service Dress skirted jacket usually worn by officers, W.O.'s or office staff. Sergeant pilots, as well as many officer pilots generally preferred batttledress blouses I believe. HERE
Shoulder flashes were worn by aircrew from Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Belgium, Poland, Netherlands, France, Czechoslovakia etc, etc. but NOT England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland!

[Afdn]

Please Mr. Oleg
could put the cap pilots with more style, more veterans
thanks

[Romanator21]

"So there I was, going flat out in the old Hurri, diving down on a brace of Heinkels, when one of the rotten Gerry gunners put a hole in my ruddy fuel tank. Most disappointing. I gave him a squirt with the 303s as I went past, but I think I just knocked a bit of paint off. Anyway, the old girl was making unpleasant noises, and it started to get a bit warm, what with the flames licking around the rudder pedals, so I decided it was time to make a swift exit. Next think I knew, I was hanging from the brolly, watching the Hurri go down. She landed in some poor farmer's field, and left a bit of a hole. I came down with a bump, but got away with nothing but a bruised rear. Some local turned up on a horse and cart, and gave me a lift back to base. Anyway, enough of my troubles, who's round is it?"

That made me laugh.

Nice job with the hat Afdn.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by jocko417

Nice job, as stated above PLEASE let us help you with photos of period flying gear used by the RAF.

Agree that no British RAF pilot would have worn 'ENGLAND' shoulder flashes, country titles were worn by those serving with the RAF/Commonwealth outside of their home country. So, an RCAF officer would wear CANADA titles in the UK but not in Canada. Also, all non-British below officer rank wore 'shoulder eagles' not country titles.



Eagle's head would always point to the wearer's rear.

Another thing, you've copied the insignia from a modern RAF uniform. The crowns on the cap badge and wings should be a dome shape, as they were during King George VI's reign, not the heart shape adopted after the coronation of Elizabeth II. WWII-era crowns were like this:





Note the brim of the cap is the same blue-grey material, NOT black leather.

There should not be pockets on the sheepskin Irvin flying jacket, and no metal snaps on the sheepskin trousers.

BTW, don't recognize this type of flying suit:



I can give you pics of the type of suits worn during the BoB.

The life jackets pre-war were greenish, guys would later paint over them with yellow so they would be more visible in the Channel.

Original Green:



Here is the type of microphone that should be on the Oxygen mask, the one you have didn't appear until the end of the Battle, most guys would have these:




Keep up the great work, and please, let us help!

+1 (Although showing repro items may not be the best option ) However, I have the 32 pattern vest here and it is not hard to model. Colour isn't too much of an issue as the range varied, but make sure (Oleg) you put the stencils in. Note: the sefton vest shown has the FRONT stamping slightly off; there weren't visible flicks on the letter R on the original stamping. Again I can show clear information on these matters *which I sent you Oleg*

Looking at the pics again, the irvin does not have any pockets, and the microphone shown is the wrong type, and does not have the oxygen tube coming out of the bottom: the tube came out of the left side (when worn) of the mask, to which the oxygen hose attached.

[brando]

As stated earlier, I think it's very important to remember the general griminess of the buildings in wartime Britain, London especially. There were fourteen mainline terminus stations - Blackfriars, Cannon Street, Charing Cross, Euston, Fenchurch Street, King's Cross, Liverpool Street, London Bridge, Moorgate, Marylebone, Paddington, St. Pancras, Victoria and Waterloo. All of them were served by coal-burning steam locomotives hauling trainloads of produce into the capital city, every hour of every day! In addition to the passenger stations mentioned above there were also freight termini like Somers Town, situated adjacent to Kings Cross, where all the potato traffic of the country arrived. London was the major distribution node for the South of England for farm produce and much else besides.

I'm sorry to be getting off the point here What I'm trying to stress is that London ran on coal. It burned in every domestic fireplace, fired all the power stations, ran the railways and shipping fleet and was turned into gas at the coking plants. It was everywhere - and its effluent stained every building in the whole city! It was not until the mid-sixties when steam power was phased out, and the Clean Air Act was made law, that work started on cleaning the civic buildings of London. This overall griminess is essential to show the true condition of 30's London.

brando

[kendo65]

Blown away by the knowledge and enthusiasm of some of the people on this forum.

What a great resource for Oleg to tap into and benefit from.

Here's hoping all these 'details' and advice help to make SOW as great as we're hoping for when it's released.

By the way Oleg, is that release still going to be in time for the 70th anniversary of the battle?

[Chaos]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Blown away by the knowledge and enthusiasm of some of the people on this forum.

Yes, really nice except... this is a flightsimulator, not a fashion show or a museum showpiece. Although i appreciate the attention to detail I hope this doesn't detract from other, imo more pressing matters, like AI, flightmodelling and systems modelling. Too much focus is on the graphics' side of things if you ask me. We have yet to see anything from the simulation part of this game...

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by Chaos

Yes, really nice except... this is a flightsimulator, not a fashion show or a museum showpiece. Although i appreciate the attention to detail I hope this doesn't detract from other, imo more pressing matters, like AI, flightmodelling and systems modelling. Too much focus is on the graphics' side of things if you ask me. We have yet to see anything from the simulation part of this game...

For the 1000000 time, the graphic designers on the team are NOT building th code and neither have the coding guys chained to their monitors to admire what they have done instead of creating the best AI and whatever else code related. Please, get that in your head!

[ATAG_Dutch]

I know nothing about what it takes to engineer a game like BoB, but I've just watched the clip of the pilot exiting a Spitfire, and the thing that impresses me most is the movement of the pilot's shadow.
You can even see it on the seat back and parachute pack as he's getting up and out, then the large shadow on the wing / fuselage is simply perfect.
I kept pausing it in slo-mo over and over.
Just awesome realism.

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Chopa

This may be nit-picking but.....
Shoulder flashes were worn by aircrew from Canada, New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, Belgium, Poland, Netherlands, France, Czechoslovakia etc, etc. but NOT England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland!

The above could explain the below....

Originally Posted by ChrisDNT

Nice modelling of the pilot, but his face does not look ethnically British.

LOL!!!!