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Old 02-05-2010, 11:27 PM
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In the days when I used to fly radio-controlled gliders this effect was very noticable - probably because their airspeed was low compared to a full-sized aircraft. In a strong wind the safest way to land was to push the nose down as you came below about 10-15 ft, and then level off about a foot off the ground to bleed off speed. Trying to maintain a constant airspeed was asking for trouble as you could only do this by diving, which put you into slower air, so you had to dive some more. I should imagine real glider pilots have the same difficulties too.
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Old 02-06-2010, 06:22 AM
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In the days when I used to fly radio-controlled gliders this effect was very noticable - probably because their airspeed was low compared to a full-sized aircraft. In a strong wind the safest way to land was to push the nose down as you came below about 10-15 ft, and then level off about a foot off the ground to bleed off speed. Trying to maintain a constant airspeed was asking for trouble as you could only do this by diving, which put you into slower air, so you had to dive some more. I should imagine real glider pilots have the same difficulties too.
Exactly! And you have to consider it in all aircraft... Big airliners landing at small airfields in strong wind can be seen "losing control" and "fall" the last 10 meters and do a bounce that almost blows the tires. The computers can not calculate the wind gradient as it is dependent on the physical "layout" of the obstacles around the airfield. The proper way of doing it to add x km/h to your approach speed depending on the wind. The problem is if the wind gradient is a lot less present than estimated and the field is small... Then you will have to "battle" the ground effect trying to get you plane on the ground before you run out of airfield. On large air fields major obstacles are therefore cleared from around the runway (for other reasons too ), but some small air fields can have a forest slope on one side. When the wind comes from that direction it gets really bad - we have one field nearby that is like that, many good pilots have bounced both one and two times trying to land in cross wind there.

The problem with gliders is naturally that you cannot smack the throttle if you feel the air speed drop (you always feel it first!) - hopefully you are on full airbrakes and a steep final approach which is the recommended way in heavy wind (just like you did with your rc glider!). If the wind gradient is bad you can retract the airbrakes to get a similar effect like applying throttle. In our Bergfalke case with the 90 km/h wind we approached like a cross in the sky with full air brakes and maximum side slip to have maximized kinetic energy when the wind gradient "stole" the speed. It was still really nasty. The second problem with a glider is naturally if you have added to much speed to counter the wind gradient and the field is small - then your run out of field and you cannot go around for another try

Side slipping was used a lot in old planes with crappy air brakes / flaps. I always use it in IL2 too when landing to be able to do a steeper approach. Works great!

Edit: WWII fighters with minimum forward view used side slipping while landing to be able to see the runway too... Many had bad flaps/airbrakes and in some cases it was the only way. I have flown the Tiger Moth some times and that baby has to be slide slipped at fat angles on final approach as there are no flaps at all... Remember that crossed rudders are a "no no" if the speed is to low - so beware though

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Old 02-08-2010, 01:57 AM
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Great stories! You can hover in a 172. Stalls pretty good when you try to get out of it, so even more fun. I went out with my buddy to help pay for the av gas and we were tooling around and he says "Look at the airspeed indicator" which read 0. He looked at me with an evil grin and says "Ready?" And before I could say anything we lost about 200 feet. Disclaimer: He is rated and we were in properly designated airspace. You should have been there for the decathalon!
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Old 02-08-2010, 02:07 AM
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If the airspeed indicator read zero, your buddy must have a fairly unique 172. You sure it wasn't the GPS or something?
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Old 02-09-2010, 12:18 AM
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Sorry, it was on the peg and the stall warning was going off. I'm not a pilot, just a passenger with a buck or two for gas. I looked at the gauge and heard the buzzer and a few seconds later we were falling so my senses were 'pretty engaged'. Fun, though, I also learned it was not a good idea to eat before going up to do acrobatics.
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Old 02-13-2010, 06:53 PM
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Negitive G's can ruin yr whole day......on a full stomach. Great stories , you really see the effect flying RC gliders from a slope . awsome to watch em hovering ... Torre Pines California ... perfect place to see this happen and over a nude beach no less ....... well it was when I flew there in early 80's.
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