finally got the B17!!

[McQ59]

Grats siteseeker! That B-17 has got a real stingy azz...
Whatch out for the G-6's and u'r neck!

[Gilly]

There's two of these 'aces' I refer too above!!!!

[f1rebrand]

Originally Posted by Gilly

There's two of these 'aces' I refer too above!!!!

I actually think P47's and Stukas are much harder to kill than B17s.

[dkwookie]

B17 is a piece of cake to bring down once you work your up n under out. Blind spots at 12 and 6 so take advantage.
The one I have major problems with is the IL10. Get someone in that who knows what they are doing and its a real effort to bring down. We had one guy in a team battle last week in one and he got 20 kills with his rear guns. He just kept it at full throttle and gunned down everyone who tried to catch up with him. I was in a spit and found it damn near impossible to get a belly shot on him

[Gilly]

Afternoon DK! Add another to that list of aces I was mentioning!
If you get any of these 3 your pretty much dead, run fast and saty very low and you may have a slim chance! Best advice is run and hide!!!!

[dkwookie]

Hey gilly good to see you on here mate.
You and branko the only b17 pilots I don't like going near! Real masters in them

[f1rebrand]

Don't shoot down devilis in his B17 unless you want a verbal tirade. Gilly will vouch for that.

[Gilly]

Funny thing is dk, branko didn't know you could switch to manual gunner view until I told her a couple of weeks ago!! Came as a bit of a revelation I think!!!

[kozzm0]

To get the best effect with the b17's guns, try setting up a custom layout and set the left stick to elevator/ailerons, the right stick to freelook, and change the guns to R2. Set l1 and r1 to throttle up/throttle down and leave the rudder off, you won't really need it.

This allows you to shoot and aim at the same time, which you can't do with most of the layouts. So you can strafe any approaching plane with ease.

The only real blind spots for the b17 gunner are the exact 3 and 9 o'clock, and directly above. If you're attacking someone who knows how to shoot below them, flying under them is suicide. After attacking them in training lots of times, I got the best results by flying above and beside them at a distance till I get in front, then dive towards them at an angle, from about 2 o'clock from the top or the side. Just like a head-on pass with fighters, it's harder for the gunner to hit a target when there's more closing speed. After the pass, fly away at 90 to 60 degrees angle to the direction the b17 is headed, then repeat.

B17's weren't hard to shoot down in real life. Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpnIiln14NM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJAl...rom=PL&index=4

The first one has inspired me to keep trying to knock down 4 to 6 with one 109 in training, but so far I've managed it once with a k4, and it took a while.

The gun-cams in the second one, in BOP they would have been blown to bits in seconds. The 110 was just parked right behind a b17 leisurely strafing all 4 of its engines. Try doing that to a b17 in BOP.

[Nycro]

sounds stupid but you should really avoid hurricanes on arcade they're absurdly overpowered on that mode(even more than usual) you get a lot of noobs who simply get on your tail and spray you. I've had my p-47 ripped to pieces on arcade by trigger happy hurricane pilots