BF109 K4 vs P-51 D 5

[siteseeker]

been playing a lot of CTA to get the upgraded P-51 D with 10 HVAR rockets and finally got it last night.... needless to say that it takes a lot of missions to score 50 kills in a P-51 playing with better players than myself so i've been playing CTA and S using the P-51 almost exclusively for several days now.

later in the evening, i joined a TB and used the 109 K4 which i have flown with great success however, i couldn't fly it for nothing... it wouldn't turn to get out of it's own way... must have been shot down 15 times and didn't even score a single kill

before i got the upgraded P-51, the K4 was my favorite plane... but now it's not worth flying.

i know that it could be me being used to one plane...

[dkwookie]

I can't fly any of those bf 109s. In arcade they are deathtraps. Is the k4 the tripple cannon one? That's not a bad anti bomber interceptor but if you get fighter cover with spitfires in the game you can forget it

[siteseeker]

2 machine guns... 2 20 mm cannons... 1 30 mm cannon... i can't survive in Sim or Realistic so i stick with arcade... i was doing good with any of the 109's but now, i can't fly it... it's like the pre patch P-51

[dkwookie]

The only one I would go near is the e3. It's the bog stanadard one but only one I feel has any kind of turning power. Those yellow tips are like red flag to a bull with spit pilots though

[siteseeker]

the odd thing is that other 109's easily outturn and out climb me and shoot me out of the sky... no clue what gives.

[F14 TOMCAT 204]

too bad the P51 only works on arcade (sorta) turns like a flying brick in realistic >_<

[xX-SiLeNcE-Xx]

I love the K4, but it doesn't work very well for 1v1. More of a suprise the enemy before they seee you type of plane.

The K4 works a hell of a lot better in sim than arcade, and the 51 works a hell of a lot better in arcade than sim. I use the K-4 frequently and can fly it rather well. It's fast and turns good if at the right speed and you use flaps and rudder. Of course, too much rudder and you stall. It's not good 1 v 1 because it's not the best turning plane. But it definately turns good enough to get a squirt in on an ususpecting player who is involved in a fight already, and with it's excellent guns, that's all you need. I've gotten three triple kills with it. Bang, bang, bang on a snake train!!!!! Just make sure you have the sensitivitys all the way up. This thing will turn with full elevator.

And I agree you should stick to a plane or two. Common sense dictates that countinually switching aircraft is like a jack of all trades, but master of none.

[kozzm0]

Originally Posted by siteseeker

later in the evening, i joined a TB and used the 109 K4 which i have flown with great success however, i couldn't fly it for nothing... it wouldn't turn to get out of it's own way... must have been shot down 15 times and didn't even score a single kill

before i got the upgraded P-51, the K4 was my favorite plane... but now it's not worth flying.

i know that it could be me being used to one plane...

A lot of the best German aces would agree with you about the later 109's. Some of them preferred the F4 all the way through the war, and when the Luftwaffe upgraded their planes, they would keep an f4 or two in the hangar just in case they needed it. The K4 doesn't turn cause it's meant more as an interceptor. To fly fast and knock down bombers.

The p51 is designed as an escort and attack plane, so they're pretty similar. Their air-to-air mode is mostly running battles centered around moving bombers, instead of fixed dogfights. Both are pretty fast.

Sometimes when I want to get a bunch of kills in a team battle I'll use an f4 and set the elevator to 3 1/2 notches under. It turns almost like a lavochkin, and the aiming is extremely smooth, it doesn't jump around every time you move the stick. Only one cannon, but you don't need more than one when it aims good. Light plane, not very fast though.

You could also use the g6 which is as well-armed as the k4 but can turn. Unfortunately its aim is terrible when it's turning.

[STINGERSIX78]

last night ive many success with the k-4 again and a great k/d-ratio. why i should outturn a spit, if i can hit them for one time hard, get enough distance to prevent a counter-attack and bring me in position for the next bnz ?
if i doing that right, their only chance is a nose-to-nose situation.
and then the k-4 has the advantage of firepower.

but sometimes, i try to outturn a spit,la,hurri, etc., in hope, that the enemy makes a mistake.
bad choice...
^^
some rules for using the BF109 k-4 :

1. take your time
2. be yourself
3. choose your target while bnz wisely
4. prevent climbing if there is another another enemy near u
5. no more than 90° while a bnz attack to prevent a lack of speed
6. dont waste wep, after useing it for 10min, u will loose ca.50km/h
7. aim steady
8. shoot in burst