No Zoom in Custom Layout in Sim mode

[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by Desode

Well his No Zoom in sim mode for any custom layout is a deal breaker for me, I'm pretty Bummed about it. I mean common, there are more Sim players on this game then any other ! and they missed this ? WTF !

This may be the last straw for me. I don't know how you can spend all this time making it so the game has custom layouts and not know that you can't use Zoomin Sim mode wih any custom laout ! I have been very forgiving and patient waiting on this patch but Geez this is stupid as all HELL !

DESODE

I should point out that you can use the dedidated Right stick to view aswell as zoom in SIM & that is with the default pad setting 3 but trouble is, the zoom is set on the square button, making it practibley unuseable when scanning around the cockpit or making a maneouvre. (Needs to go somewhere like the L3, ideal place, easily accessible & not used on default 3 map SIM mode).

Sorry trk. I hear what you're saying but for me, 2nd to the flight mechanics & the guns, the most important aspect of combat flight simulation is the ability to look around with ease. This explains the success of the later Spits & Mustangs with bubble canopies. OK the zoom's a bonus but here on BoP & particularly on Sim mode, it puts you at quite a disadvantage being without it as your opponent will probably be aware of you alot sooner than you are of him.

I still say though that your 1st suggestion (layout 3) is the better so far; for the SIM player (than layout 4). Each to their own I guess. I'm glad ppl are finding the patch a success but for me, the 2 burning issues were screen tearing & wanting a working customizable SIM map & I feel I got neither. And I still can't fly that damned P-51D without it stalling & spinning with as much violence as before, lol. Oh Well!!!

[trk29]

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

I should point out that you can use the dedidated Right stick to view aswell as zoom in SIM & that is with the default pad setting 3 but trouble is, the zoom is set on the square button, making it practibley unuseable when scanning around the cockpit or making a maneouvre. (Needs to go somewhere like the L3, ideal place, easily accessible & not used on default 3 map SIM mode).

Sorry trk. I hear what you're saying but for me, 2nd to the flight mechanics & the guns, the most important aspect of combat flight simulation is the ability to look around with ease. This explains the success of the later Spits & Mustangs with bubble canopies. OK the zoom's a bonus but here on BoP & particularly on Sim mode, it puts you at quite a disadvantage being without it as your opponent will probably be aware of you alot sooner than you are of him.

I still say though that your 1st suggestion (layout 3) is the better so far; for the SIM player (than layout 4). Each to their own I guess. I'm glad ppl are finding the patch a success but for me, the 2 burning issues were screen tearing & wanting a working customizable SIM map & I feel I got neither. And I still can't fly that damned P-51D without it stalling & spinning with as much violence as before, lol. Oh Well!!!

Yes I do believe the best place for the zoom would be R3 that would enable you to scan and zoom at the same time, I wish it would work there than I probably would use it alot for scanning.

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

...And I still can't fly that damned P-51D without it stalling & spinning with as much violence as before, lol. Oh Well!!!

I think someone (Edal or trk, was it?) pointed out that the P51 still flies badly with a custom layout, but it seems to be ok with a default layout. I can certainly testify that it flies very nicely with the 2 original pad layouts. I know you probably want everything to work in every configuration, but if you're looking for a work around, there it is

[Desode]

I guess to each their own, I know personally I won't play a flight sim with a pad, I just can't do it. I'm sure there are players that are AMAZING with a pad.
Maybe even better then people with a Flight stick.

I just can't get into it, for me it takes all the immersive level out of the sim.

I'll still play on the 360 with my ace edge but, unless something is done to fix the zoom in custom layouts, I will sadly not be on the ps3 version. I was really looking forward to flying with you guys for months while we waited on the patch.
I will never understand how they missed something this big.
The 3 main things that people have asked for in these forums since release day, has been Customizable controls, flight stick support and cockpits.

I have almost 50 pc friends who own ps3'3 that were waiting on this patch, so they could use their pc flight sticks and play sim mode online. Doesn't look like thats going to happen now.

I know I sound bleak but more then anything I just feel like I have been let down.
I have been here since before release when there was only maybe 10 people posting in here. I have never once complained or bitched. I have supported this game with my words and my money(every ver on all systems bought day 1).
I have defended the DEV's every chance I have had.
I have made posts on tons of sites to draw people in and I have left updates about the status of the patch on these sites.
When people have had problems with the game I have taken time to always answer their question to the best of my knowledge.

I just really thought after all this time, they would get this one right.
I'm not saying their hearts weren't in fixing things. I'm just really bummed at the failure of this patch to fix what a lot of us needed in order to play the game on the ps3.

Atleast I have Rise of flight. LOL

Thanks for letting me vent.
DESODE

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by Desode

...unless something is done to fix the zoom in custom layouts, I will sadly not be on the ps3 version..

Really? You're not going to play because zoom won't work? Sorry to hear that, man.

I haven't used zoom since I started using the aviator layout. Admittedly it would be handy for ID'ing foes from slightly further away in certain lighting conditions, but other than that I see it as no great loss. Especially now that you can see a plane all the way from several klicks away up until collision.

But I guess, like you say - each to their own...

[Desode]

Originally Posted by InfiniteStates

Really? You're not going to play because zoom won't work? Sorry to hear that, man.

I haven't used zoom since I started using the aviator layout. Admittedly it would be handy for ID'ing foes from slightly further away in certain lighting conditions, but other than that I see it as no great loss. Especially now that you can see a plane all the way from several klicks away up until collision.

But I guess, like you say - each to their own...

If I played realistic or or arcade yes, but zoom is a very important part of sim mode. there is no icons in sim which i'm sure you know. U have to use zoom to scan the horizon, and if they fly under you and are buzzing the ground, most of the time you won't spot them with out zoom.

All I ever play on the 360 is sim and I use it none stop.

" Especially now that you can see a plane all the way from several klicks away up until collision"

Are you saying they increased the Draw distance ?

Desode

[InfiniteStates]

Originally Posted by Desode

" Especially now that you can see a plane all the way from several klicks away up until collision"

Are you saying they increased the Draw distance ?

Sort of - they altered the LOD models and made that black dot thing persist longer. So now you can see the black dot helper, then when that disappears the plane it was indicating is clearly visible. So, in my opinion, zoom is only useful for determing if a plane is blue or red. And even then it depends on the lighting.

[trk29]

Yes once the plane appears as a big black dot after that disappears you can then see the plane.

[Houndstone Hawk]

Originally Posted by Desode

I guess to each their own, I know personally I won't play a flight sim with a pad, I just can't do it. I'm sure there are players that are AMAZING with a pad.
Maybe even better then people with a Flight stick.

I just can't get into it, for me it takes all the immersive level out of the sim.

I'll still play on the 360 with my ace edge but, unless something is done to fix the zoom in custom layouts, I will sadly not be on the ps3 version. I was really looking forward to flying with you guys for months while we waited on the patch.
I will never understand how they missed something this big.
The 3 main things that people have asked for in these forums since release day, has been Customizable controls, flight stick support and cockpits.

I have almost 50 pc friends who own ps3'3 that were waiting on this patch, so they could use their pc flight sticks and play sim mode online. Doesn't look like thats going to happen now.

I know I sound bleak but more then anything I just feel like I have been let down.
I have been here since before release when there was only maybe 10 people posting in here. I have never once complained or bitched. I have supported this game with my words and my money(every ver on all systems bought day 1).
I have defended the DEV's every chance I have had.
I have made posts on tons of sites to draw people in and I have left updates about the status of the patch on these sites.
When people have had problems with the game I have taken time to always answer their question to the best of my knowledge.

I just really thought after all this time, they would get this one right.
I'm not saying their hearts weren't in fixing things. I'm just really bummed at the failure of this patch to fix what a lot of us needed in order to play the game on the ps3.

Atleast I have Rise of flight. LOL

Thanks for letting me vent.
DESODE

Oh man Rise of Flight. What a freaking title that is!!!! I am loving it & can't wait for the replay mode in 1.09 for sure!!!

I'm afraid I too have been wrapped in this title for atleast a year before release, following all the press notes & news & like you, bought it up on the 2 systems in a shot, thinking "IL-2 Sturmovik, the best combat flight sim money can buy, coming to console & promising much to the simmers aswell as gamers.....wow".
Unlike you however, I have been bitterly disappointed with the game from the start & I have let my opinions be known. I love the realism & involvement of a Sim, I love the immersion & I am a huge fan of the name IL-2 Sturmovik & its titles. I wont aire my opinions anymore for BoP, I'll just be repeating myself & boring others in the process; so I stuck around & waited for the patch. All I wanted was for a workable zoom to work in harmony with a deidated look-around, less screen tearing, & to be able to customise any one of the 3 pc flightsticks I have including the thrustmaster hotas & Sidewinder Precision Pro & so for me, personally, I get hardly anything from this long awaited patch.

I'm a huge fan of 1946 & Rise of Flight & I really do think they both pretty much got it right from their starting points. There are certain limitations to console but hey; Over G Fighters got it right; straight out of the box IMO & still remains the greatest flight sim on next gen console.

Rant over. I can't change anything here & so I'll keep quiet once again & sift the forum for any hints ppl may have. Speaking of which; thanks to trk29 & Infinate States for pointing out the P-51D being better on the default layouts. They're layouts I can't use but you're right, the Mustang does handle much better .

[Desode]

Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk

Oh man Rise of Flight. What a freaking title that is!!!! I am loving it & can't wait for the replay mode in 1.09 for sure!!!

I'm afraid I too have been wrapped in this title for atleast a year before release, following all the press notes & news & like you, bought it up on the 2 systems in a shot, thinking "IL-2 Sturmovik, the best combat flight sim money can buy, coming to console & promising much to the simmers aswell as gamers.....wow".
Unlike you however, I have been bitterly disappointed with the game from the start & I have let my opinions be known. I love the realism & involvement of a Sim, I love the immersion & I am a huge fan of the name IL-2 Sturmovik & its titles. I wont aire my opinions anymore for BoP, I'll just be repeating myself & boring others in the process; so I stuck around & waited for the patch. All I wanted was for a workable zoom to work in harmony with a deidated look-around, less screen tearing, & to be able to customise any one of the 3 pc flightsticks I have including the thrustmaster hotas & Sidewinder Precision Pro & so for me, personally, I get hardly anything from this long awaited patch.

I'm a huge fan of 1946 & Rise of Flight & I really do think they both pretty much got it right from their starting points. There are certain limitations to console but hey; Over G Fighters got it right; straight out of the box IMO & still remains the greatest flight sim on next gen console.

Rant over. I can't change anything here & so I'll keep quiet once again & sift the forum for any hints ppl may have. Speaking of which; thanks to trk29 & Infinate States for pointing out the P-51D being better on the default layouts. They're layouts I can't use but you're right, the Mustang does handle much better .

I take it you haven't turned ROF on in a few days. The 1.09 is here and the recorder works great, Send me a Pm and we'll meet up on ROF and fly some COOP. DESODE