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11-30-2009, 04:57 AM
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The US was nervous about the Soviet planes because they were confused by the mig-25 and the su-27, which they thought were the same plane. They thought it was a mach-3.2 plane that could also dogfight. I don't think the US was ahead of the Russians as far as dogfighting planes went. Mig-29's can handle f-16's, and su-27's and f-15's are about even. The US has developed stealth but the Russians have developed OVT. Stealth tech won't last as long as OVT. 
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11-30-2009, 05:50 AM
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Anyway, I agree that OVT will last longer than Stealth tech. I mean there are no other countries in the world that are using stealth as an offensive measure besides the US. France, Britain, Germany, etc. etc. are all either keeping with what they have or just modifying their current stuff to accommodate the changing times. Russia is smart because they're not over thinking their bounds, and are keeping with OVT. While the US is definitely over thinking the situations. I don't think there are any current US enemies or threats that are using technology for or against stealth planes. 
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11-30-2009, 06:17 AM
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11-30-2009, 07:56 AM
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Thats a classic scene. I remember seeing that on TV when I was a kid. The aircraft carrier gets sucked through some time vortex to Pearl Harbour just before the Japanese attack.
Speaking of Pearl Harbour, the film was rubbish but there were some nice scenes when the US fighters finally take off. Only about 2 minutes worth though. Red Barron was good but the ground based drama was pretty poor. Blue Max and Battle Of Britain of course are the best. Nobody mentioned Aces High. That was pretty disturbing to see as a young kid. I always remember the guy jumping from his plane burning all the way down
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11-30-2009, 09:48 AM
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Cheers for posting that clip edal, brightened up Monday morning no end
 Although now I want to watch the whole film - I love Final Countdown. Probably a stupid question guys, but what's "OVT"?
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11-30-2009, 10:36 AM
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Those are some great films.... but you all seem to have missed out the best Air combat movie ever made - Iron Eagle! The story of a brave "All American" teenager, who steals an F16 and takes on an entire middle eastern country by himself (With a bit of help from Lou Gossett Jnr), just to save his dad... and, it has music by Queen.
The only possible film that can match that is Iron Eagle 3 (thanks for the correction DKwookie), when Lou Gossett Jnr gets together a bunch of WW2 pilots (one Yank, one Brit, A German, and one Japanese) to come out of retirement to fly one last mission... I can't find any youtube clips, but trust me, its awesome (In a cheesy, crap way) In all seriousness though, Battle of Britain and The Blue Max are great movies, with awesome aerial photography. Some of the stuff in Top Gun is also pretty good (shame about the rest of the movie). I'm looking forward to seeing George Lucas's film "Red Tails", about the Tuskogee airmen, but I suspect it will be a CGI filled cheesefest. And speaking of George Lucas............ Last edited by Rhah; 11-30-2009 at 10:50 AM.
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11-30-2009, 10:46 AM
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LOL, that was Iron Eagle 3 with the old aces.
Iron Eagle 4 is even worse, he goes into battle with a bunch of teenagers: http://uk.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1610416921/ Quote of the day from that trailer "Its two kids sir" "Shoot them"
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11-30-2009, 01:17 PM
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Go to see it in action At 5mins 40 is it does super cobra which is very impressive. Last edited by winny; 11-30-2009 at 01:52 PM. Reason: Added link
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11-30-2009, 03:14 PM
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Don't see how it beats stealth technology then...?But I see you got taken by surprise by the auto-embedding of YouTube links too lol. I did first time I did it...
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12-01-2009, 12:57 AM
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The engine nozzles can be rotated independently to 15 degrees on each side, up-down, top-bottom, allowing crazy angle of attack and moves that make the old cobra look pedestrian. I'm not sure if the mig ovt does this, but su-35 can also independently regulate the thrust of each engine, which allows it to keep the thrust outside the center of mass on turns and get crazy rotation power. It can do cobras that end in double backflips and do flat spins that barely lose altitude. It can also end tailslides sideways and has its own combat maneuver called "cobra roll" that uses the engine differential. Why is ovt a good counter to stealth, because it stakes out the low-speed visual range combat, whereas stealth is based on higher-speed and beyond-visual range. The f-22 and f-35 are good fighters, but against the sukhois they would have to use high-speed tactics because they can't corner as well at low speed. That positions the stealth planes as more offensive, and the sukhois as more defensive, though they are still pretty fast. Last edited by kozzm0; 12-01-2009 at 01:02 AM.
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