Friday 2009-11-13 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread

[AFJ_rsm]

Originally Posted by furbs

Pics not showing for me anybody else?

same here

looks like the site is down

[Foo'bar]

Look here

[peterwoods@supanet.com]

Originally Posted by AFJ_rsm

same here

looks like the site is down

Me too but thanks to FooBar for alternative view. Danke

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by mazex

But the C4 will be there (?) so there will be one flyable 110 at least. For me the "must haves" for a BoB game is really spits and hurricanes vs the three main german bombers (111,88,17) and the 109 and 110 trying to protect them. The rest is nice to haves...

But don't we need a Ju-87 for the early channel convoy phase of the BoB?

It must have been a fairly hard call by the developers.

Originally Posted by mazex

Then I am really pleased that most of these are flyable, so I'm really just complaining cause I'm spoiled by the overwhelming number of flyables in IL2... With the cockpit detail of SoW we really only deserve the spit for the lousy $39 we will pay for it.

Ungreatful bunch aren't we!

Originally Posted by mazex

Side note - while googling a bit about the 110 as you mentioned the versions you would like instead of the C4 if found this interesting fact:

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

It would have taken a brave man to get into the cockpit back in those days. I wonder how many replacement/renforcement 110 arived for the LW?

[JVM]

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

Look here

Hello Foo'bar!

You forgot this one I believe: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=151

JV

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Foo'bar

Look here

Nice page you got there, a lot better overview even when the 1C site works -thanks!

[AFJ_rsm]

Thank you Foo'bar!

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by mazex

I know the italian fans will flame me but... Why make the G-50 flyable if the Defiant is not? Why make the BR-20 flyable when the Do-17 is not?

In my world the Do-17 in particular was an important plane during the Battle, and the Defiant is sure a plane that is often discussed even though it was a failure... The italians where really of minor significance (but interesting for sure!).

The best would be to have them all but if we can't have them all... As the Italian cockpits are already done I'm crying for nothing I guess - but the Do-17 is really one of my personal "bad guy" favorites...

/Mazex

I was wondering more or less the same. Despite the Italian birds being far superior to the other in terms of technical ingenuity and sheer aeroplanautical beauty, they saw little use in the BoB indeed, as they were 5 or 6 years older than the more recent British types; one can then be led to attribute their presence in game to the need of planes that the Hurris could bag more easily than the German types...
No more seriously, my guess is that the three Italian machines could be used to build quickly other nice theaters with little effort, such as Greece, or North Africa 1940.

Just guessing.

Regards,
Insuber

[Necrobaron]

I figure they just want to be more thorough than sims of the past. Most people don't even think of the Italian contribution which makes their inclusion all the more interesting.
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Jailbroken

[=KAG=Bersrk]

Originally Posted by mazex

"The Luftwaffe had embarked on the battle with 237 serviceable Bf 110s. 223 were lost in the course of it".

Talk about loss ratio!

/Mazex

Hahaha ok lets talk about it.

When finally comparing the scores by Bf 109 and Bf 110 units as mentioned above with the estimated true losses by each side for the period July-October 1940 it turns out that in approximate figures the authentic victories versus actual air battle losses where:

Spitfire 550 victories to 329 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1
Hurricane 750 victories to 603 losses – a ratio of 1,2:1
Bf 109 780 victories to 534 losses – a ratio of 1,5:1
Bf 110 340 victories to 196 losses – a ratio of 1,7:1

In October the Bf 110 units even had a ratio of 3:1 while the Bf 109 units dropped to 1,4:1.

Bf110 C-1 - 195 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-2 - 359 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-4 - 155 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-5 - 100 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-6 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 C-7 - 39 aircrafts built,

Bf110 D-0 - 83 aircrafts built,.
Bf110 D-0/D-1 - 21 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-3 - 12 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-0/D-4 - 6 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-2 - 73 aircrafts built,
Bf110 D-3 - 254 aircrafts built,

P.S. Tell me please, what Geschwader of Luftwaffe was the first who got 500 air-to-air victories, and when it happened?