Battlestations TV show (not game) featuring P-51

[kozzm0]

but p-51 was designed and served as an escort and multirole plane, not just air superiority. It also had a big advantage in numbers by the time it was used, not many chances for a fw-190 to pin one down into a turning fight long enough to get a kill.

I think the fw-190 is underrepresented also... I'm starting to fly it more cause I like the cannons, but it elevates terribly in il-2. Rolls great though. Perfect for dodging around bombers with.

<> I've seen a few episodes of Dogfight, and it gave the impression that all dogfights are won by American planes, unless they don't involve American planes, in which case they're won by American allies. They even made the f4f wildcat look like it compared to the Zero, by showing Pug Southerland's rare almost-win vs Saburo Sakai.

[Swagger7]

Originally Posted by kozzm0

but p-51 was designed and served as an escort and multirole plane, not just air superiority. It also had a big advantage in numbers by the time it was used, not many chances for a fw-190 to pin one down into a turning fight long enough to get a kill.

I think the fw-190 is underrepresented also... I'm starting to fly it more cause I like the cannons, but it elevates terribly in il-2. Rolls great though. Perfect for dodging around bombers with.

<> I've seen a few episodes of Dogfight, and it gave the impression that all dogfights are won by American planes, unless they don't involve American planes, in which case they're won by American allies. They even made the f4f wildcat look like it compared to the Zero, by showing Pug Southerland's rare almost-win vs Saburo Sakai.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't in Dogfights..... Are you thinking of the PBS program, Secrets of the Dead? They covered that dogfight. I think that show where the Air Force major flies around in the Texan and talks about historic dogfights also covered it, but Dogfights didn't, I'm all but certain.

[Desode]

Well, I have been to a couple of air shows in my day and if the Horsemen ever come your way, Go see them ! You can also go to their site and sign up and watch some of their videos. www.asb.tv/videos/view.php?v=022754bc

And these stunts are done at low altitude.

They are a Formation Acro team that flys 3 original unmodified P51's. Now you can't even do 5% of these stunts in Il2 1946 with a p51, and these guys are doing them in formation ! I mean come on.
Seeing is believing thats all there is to it, Even if you don't believe the aces that flew the p51 then, go to a air show and watch it for real. Then you'll understand how off the flight model is for the p51 in even il2 1946.
Desode

[flynlion]

Seems odd to me that the most screwed up flight model in the game would be used in the demo, so it's no wonder that it hasn't sold better. But the bottom line is that BoP just isn't all that realistic, for any of the planes. It is, after all just a video game, not a pilot training aid LoL

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Desode

Now you can't even do 5% of these stunts in Il2 1946 with a p51, and these guys are doing them in formation ! I mean come on.

I think the opposite is true, if anything. Have you seen the Fighting Woodpeckers or Virtual French Acrobats? Those guys do far more than the Horsemen, because obviously the repercussions of crashing their aircraft are so much less, and because they can advance their engines to historical combat boost pressures without any fear of engine failure. Show me one thing that the Horsemen can do that these guys can't in an IL-2 '51. The IL-2 '51 isn't so bad, apart from some longitudinal instability that might be solved by TD soon.

The Fighting Woodpeckers.

The Virtual French Acrobats.

[Desode]

Thanks man thats a couple of great videos ! Grant it I have never tweaked the p51 in 1946. Are they using a original flight model from 1946 ? or a mod?

The coolest thing I saw the horsemen do was called the 3 rings of death.
They split out of formation and 2 of them do loops where the bottom of the loop is a couple hundred feet off the ground, then the third plane does a Horizontal figure eight in and out of the looping planes, while they pass with in 50 feet of each other at both sides of each looping plane. The p51 doing the figure eight is flying such tight turns that you just can't believe it.

Thanks so much for posting those videos, They have inspired me to spend some time tweaking on the p51 in 1946.

Thanks, Desode

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Desode

Thanks so much for posting those videos, They have inspired me to spend some time tweaking on the p51 in 1946.

No problem. I'm pretty sure they're the unmodded P-51s, the modded versions weren't out when those videos were released. I think probably the best person to ask about flying the P-51 is [^]X32Wright, look for him on HyperLobby or the Ubi zoo. I think he mentions MissStrega as the person who taught him how to fly it, so if you can find her, she's a good person to talk to as well, but a lot more elusive.