New USAAF Campaign Desperately Needed

Tudorp15 · #1 10-23-2009, 03:45 PM

If I could add to that.. I think it is a very slippery slope to undertake in a game like this. I also know that Asia has a large gaming community. Maybe even larger than North America. If they add a Pacific Theme, how will that sit in the Japanese markets? I am not so sure they want to be a part of the reminder of the scars they still have today from the war. For us, it would be a cool facet of BOP, but other cultures, and perspectives may not embrace it like we, and the other Allies would...

FOZ_1983 · #2 10-23-2009, 03:59 PM

Lets not forget that their is a US campaign, and that is the battle of bulge. Granted the P51 model is off but then again so is the spitfire in the BoB campaign.

FOZ_1983 · #3 10-23-2009, 04:01 PM

From what i have played it seems to work out like this on the whole liek this for each faction -

RAF -dogfighting
US - ground attack
RUSSIA -ground attack/dogfight

Granted each faction has a taste of something else, but on the whole they seem to be given the role noted above. Just my observation

Doktorwzzerd · #4 10-23-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tudorp15

Good point.. But, I think much of that is because BOP tends to be of a British perspective, not American. May be largely due to the fact that the development is British I think. That is to be expected. If it was from an American developer, I would assume it would be more from the American perspective..

Please do not take this next comment out of context. I am also a proud American, and also a USAF veteran. But, I am also open minded, and tend to have the talent to see other perspectives, and am very aware of our (American) faults. One of them being we are a very arogant culture, and tend to think everything revolves around us. It doesn't. We were a large part of the war, and the victory, but, we were most definitly not the only contribution to that victory.. I like BOP as it is, but also at the same time, would also like to see more American presence.. Maybe in the sequils, assuming there will be a Pacific theater theme, we will see allot of American war birds, and presence..

Just saying..

Respectfully, I have to disagree with you on a number of counts:

1) BoP was developed by Russians, so if there is any bias it would be Russian and not British.

2) I don't think anything about the existing game has to do with any historical bias or national chauvinism, there's just only so much development time and so the game was focused on the Eastern Front, BoB and Sicily with just a few Bulge missions thrown in for good measure. No big deal, but some USAAF DLC would be really great to balance it out. My OP was not intended as being any plea for nationalistic satisfaction, or complaint of bias, it was meant simply to express an interest in filling in the gaps of the history being portrayed by BoP.

4) I can't see what Asia has to do with anything, this is the ETO and so is focused on the ETO, my point is that having all of the history of the ETO be portrayed would be very nice.

3) All of the above being said, can we please, someday in America, be able to talk about our selves and our history without having to delve into pro forma mea culpas about our supposedly unique cultural arrogance? Puuul-lease, ask a Russian and they will try to tell you that they won WW2 by themselves. Even the *mighty* French will claim it was they alone who liberated Paris. The British will claim that they by themselves were the critical weight in the balance of freedom during the dark years of 1938-1942 (which actually is probably true!) If America suffers from cultural arrogance, it is hardly a unique affliction and certainly not one worthy of incessant self-flagellation. Save the drama for Obama.

4) I agree, a Pacific Theater sequel or DLC would be rad. Also, dare I say it, Korea?

FOZ_1983 · #5 10-23-2009, 04:21 PM

Korea would have to be a whole new game since its not WW2,

though a pacific campaign could work, yet it would be small (very small) so it would take alot of work to make such a campaign, why not just make the sequel the battle in the pacific? though the russians clealry wouldnt feature so heavily, and neither the brits. The dutch would on the other hand and the americans. I just really dont even see them thinking about anything for BoP that features the pacific.

If anymore DLC comes out then im almost certain its going to stay in the european theatre and offer us simple missions like we already got with the last one. Simple things like

"protect the convoy coming through the english channel from JU87'S"
"escort the B17's to the target and back (again!) though this time in the P51"
"take part in a raid against an enemy airfield in your blenheim bomber"

Just short simple missions like so, something easy to do and that will rake in the cash.

Doktorwzzerd · #6 10-23-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Korea would have to be a whole new game since its not WW2...

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Agreed on what we will *probably* get, but doing Korea *theoretically* could be as simple as creating F-86 and MiG-15 flight models and a new map. All of the physics and weapons are the same. The only trick might be adding speed breaks, but you could skip it or make a cheap solution and it would be no big deal. Maybe speed breaks could take the place of the view change (y on gamepad) or some other little used button in a pinch?

*Edit actually the British side of the Pacific wouldn't be so hard to do, wasn't the RAF active in the Burmese and Australia/New Zealand theaters?

As for the Russians... yeah Stalin didn't even declare war on the Japanese until the last months of 1945, just in time to seize Manchuria and influence China without doing any of the heavy lifting, boy I'm glad FDR and Truman trusted him, I'm sure the Chinese are as well.

Panzergranate · #7 10-23-2009, 06:02 PM

IL-2 Korea sounds appealing.

Stormoviks were flown by the North Koreans and there were still a fair few prop jobs doing most of the ground attack work, new fangled jets being too vulnerable to FlaK damage and expensive.

Dogfighting a Mig-15 with a Royal Navy Hawker Sea Fury turbo prop fighter would make for an ineresting experience.

Ditto flying an F8 Skyraider on a ground attack mission.

B-36 bombers with an F-86 Sabre or Goblin mini-fighter slung under the belly.

Early semi-blind SAM missiles coming up at ya....

North Korean dumb fire rocket FlaK....

All those crappy early post WW2 US Navy jet fighters with the underpowered and unreliable Westinghouse J-34 jet powerplant....

Sounds better the more I think about it....

FOZ_1983 · #8 10-23-2009, 06:11 PM

Ok to answer as many as i can...

yes the Brits were in Burma/NZ/Singapore etc but the japanese gave us a good kicking so we struggled in this theatre, this was more an american scenario, your bigger than us remember were only a small country, we were busy in europe/africa

The americans entered the war in 1941 after pearl harbour. Though a small amout did fly for the RAF during 1940

A game basd in korea.... im not so keen. Its the border between old and new and its just going to be awkward i think. Im happy with WW2 flying games

I would like to see the inclusion of more skins for planes, and some single missions in africa maybe? this could include the italians/germans/french/brits/yanks and could offer something different.

Cant be that hard to create a desert either surely

and i'd get to fly the hurricane with 4 cannons hopefully or huge gun pods under the wing for anti tank duty (though seriously messing up speed and manouverability).

I can wish though eh?

Doktorwzzerd · #9 10-23-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Panzergranate

IL-2 Korea sounds appealing.

Stormoviks were flown by the North Koreans and there were still a fair few prop jobs doing most of the ground attack work, new fangled jets being too vulnerable to FlaK damage and expensive.

Dogfighting a Mig-15 with a Royal Navy Hawker Sea Fury turbo prop fighter would make for an ineresting experience.

Ditto flying an F8 Skyraider on a ground attack mission.

B-36 bombers with an F-86 Sabre or Goblin mini-fighter slung under the belly.

Early semi-blind SAM missiles coming up at ya....

North Korean dumb fire rocket FlaK....

All those crappy early post WW2 US Navy jet fighters with the underpowered and unreliable Westinghouse J-34 jet powerplant....

Sounds better the more I think about it....

Forgot this post in all of the national controversy, but yeah! My thoughts exactly, theres a lot more variety to the aircraft flown in korea than most realize also: TWIN MUSTANGS! I love how the Air Force thought: whats better than one mustang? Two mustangs obviously! If it worked for Twix candy bars it can work for the P-51, so they just welded a couple together and the result: AWESOMENESS!

I forget who said it but somebody back there said they thought it wouldn't be very cool due to the early stage of jet development, well to each his own, but the F-86 and MiG-15 were very reliable and well engineered aircraft for their generation, its basically like WW2, just a lot faster. See the MiG Alley episode of Dogfights, its one of the best ones for great guns battles.

Tudorp15 · #10 10-23-2009, 04:35 PM

Thats the point I was making. every country had their pride, as we do. We deserve to be proud, as all the other countries for what they accomplished in history. But, I am not afraid to claim my own part of arogance. There are steriotypes in all cultures, and arogance is ours. I remember years ago I think it was a china diplomat I cant remember called Americans fat and lazy. It pissed everyone off. Me included.. But guess what.. He was right, even though I feel he was out of line saying it in his position..

Anyway.. Nuff of that.. Anyway... A Korean version would be cool. I actually suggested that in the Dev area.. I love prop planes, but also love the early jet era.

I did not know it was a russian development. I thought british.. But no matter.. But I knew it was not American..