UK tanks

[Flint11]

Hello everyone, and thanks for reading my post. This will cover 2 things, 1. Underpowered and unrealistic UK guns, primarily the 17pdr. and 2. The tanks that should be in the game, but are not. I apologize for the wall of text in advance lol, this has just been really bugging me.

Alright, so, the 17 pdr anti tank and the one mounted on tanks is quite underpowered in the game. Yes, its still rather strong, but not as powerful as it should be. In WW2 the 17 pdr was able to penetrate 140mm of armor at 500 meters away using the APCBC round, and 209mm of armor at 500 meters using the APDS round. I understand that these stats are a bit overpowering to put in a game, it can be scaled down, but its scaled down way to much in the game, at 70 yds it can only penetrate 130mm or armor in the game. It should be able to penetrate tigers and panthers at the front from atleast 100-120 meters. Doesnt sound to overpowering to me, considering this was the best anti tank gun the Allies had during the war, it still sounds a bit underpowered to me, but i cant ask for everything, eh? I also find my self unable to beat panthers and tigers from the front, unless im 70 meters away from them, but even then its not a sure thing. Im sure you could imagine how hard it is to drive up to 70 meters, or maybe 80 might work, aim, and shoot at a panther with a tank that only has 76mm of armor (M4A4 VC firefly).


2nd, The only UK tank that can take a hit from a Panther or Tiger, and a KT at a certain range is the centurion (not counting the turtle). Yet this tank never saw action in WW2, yet the best UK tank of WW2 isnt even in the game, the Cruiser tank A34 Comet. This tank had 102mm of armor, a 76MM HV gun, (17 pdr with a shorter barrel), Able to go at 32 mph. This tank would balance the UK, and give them a fighting chance with tigers in panthers in slug outs. This tank is deadly, and i know, it didnt see much action in WW2, but it still saw action, unlike the centurion, or the T29. This tank mainly used APDS rounds which was unusual, since it penetrated much more then the standard APCBC round, but didnt cause as much damage after penetrating, (it still caused massive damage, of course), making up for the velocity lost with the shorter barrel.

(Many, Many mods have the comet, but i cant enjoy playing those mods because not many people have them online)

Sorry for the wall of text, but i hope you enjoy reading my post, and i hope you guys down at 1c consider adding these changes in the next update for Men of war.

[sgt steiner]

i would love to see the comet in the game,
the centurion is a fantastic looking model and i take my hat off to whoever made it, but i think you are correct in what you say about the comet being the better choice to place in this game because the centurion didnt see any action!!!

[Cmdr.Miskyavine]

this would be a fantastic idea take the pos but awsome looking cent heck just take all the uk tanks sept firefly and add the comet to replace it all i really use is the firefly its awsome just needs the armor of a jumbo but yea usa needs to be better to i mean a t29? its cool looking to but sucks
i find pershing for usa firefly for uk if you use them right you can accomplish endless posibilities on the field i took 3 is3s a pershing and a t29 eith 1 firefly in ffa mode tho but still 1 FIREFLY taking all thoose out and finaly running out off gass in mid of battlefield and being poped in engine and going boom that tank needs to be remebered R.I.P that poor firefly a moment of silence plz. ---------------------------------------------- 2 hrs later ok now moving on the uk are very under powered i saw a video of a firefly desimating a tiger on youtube real acctul footage (from men of war) i really think that you are on to something flint and i hope the creators adknowaldge this big mistake of underpowered uk cause if there tanks sucked how did they last so long in real life p.s uk right now is an ambush/flanking country and should not be used in common slugouts like they should be they need boosted alot i really despritlyhope they add the comet but the turtle is awsome ambusher if you position it right Cmdr.Misktavine over and out see you on the battlefield soldier cant wait for a fricking comet.

[Cmdr.Miskyavine]

o yea forgot to say i really thinkk they left out alot of uk and usa tanks just so everyone would do russia on germany really makes me mad when i think about it im not insulting the company im just saying WTF ARE YOU RIGHT IN DA HEAD IT SEEMS LIKE THEY FAVOR USSR AND GERMANY i mean they have like what no missing tanks in there countrys yet the americans are missing half there good tanks and uk is missing most of there tanks and there best tank

[Panzergranate]

Actually the 17 Pdr. was able was penetarte the Tiger II at 1,000 meters is a lower hull nose (100mm. sloped) or front turrent hit (185mm.) with the APDS round fron late 1944 onwards.

By comparison, the 88mm. L71 gun of the Tiger II could penetrate a maximum of just over 290 mm. at the same range.

Now there is some confusion and mythology concerning peformnaces of AT weapons. Because a gun has a maximum penetration figure at range X doesn't actually mean that every shell fired will achieve this due to countless lawas of physics. AT gun designers have been aware of this since the science became.

For example, a gun has a maximum penetration, when tested, of 100mm. (best result attained).

[Flint11]

Originally Posted by Panzergranate

Actually the 17 Pdr. was able was penetarte the Tiger II at 1,000 meters is a lower hull nose (100mm. sloped) or front turrent hit (185mm.) with the APDS round fron late 1944 onwards.

By comparison, the 88mm. L71 gun of the Tiger II could penetrate a maximum of just over 290 mm. at the same range.

Now there is some confusion and mythology concerning peformnaces of AT weapons. Because a gun has a maximum penetration figure at range X doesn't actually mean that every shell fired will achieve this due to countless lawas of physics. AT gun designers have been aware of this since the science became.

For example, a gun has a maximum penetration, when tested, of 100mm. (best result attained).

Yes, i understand what your saying, armor angles have alot to do with anti tank guns penetration. But still, iv hit tiger and panther tanks on the nose of theyr hull from 120 yds with a 17pdr and it has no effect. and yes, if a 17pdr can penetrate 209mm of armor at 500 yds, it can definatly penetrate the tigers armor at 1k yds. Altho, APDS rounds were only used 15% of the time for the 17pdr, as it didnt cause as much hull damage as an APCBC round, and was also alot less accurate. The penetration of a gun isnt set in stone, sometimes you can get lucky, sometimes unlucky.

[Flint11]

Originally Posted by Cmdr.Miskyavine

o yea forgot to say i really thinkk they left out alot of uk and usa tanks just so everyone would do russia on germany really makes me mad when i think about it im not insulting the company im just saying WTF ARE YOU RIGHT IN DA HEAD IT SEEMS LIKE THEY FAVOR USSR AND GERMANY i mean they have like what no missing tanks in there countrys yet the americans are missing half there good tanks and uk is missing most of there tanks and there best tank

Actualy misky, most of the UK and USA tanks are actualy in the game, atleast the main ones mass produced and used in the war (except for the comet) -_- and, Germany and russia had very, very powerful tanks in WW2. War isnt balanced, so its right that germany and russia have OP tanks, altho they really screwed the UK over.

[Flint11]

Originally Posted by Cmdr.Miskyavine

this would be a fantastic idea take the pos but awsome looking cent heck just take all the uk tanks sept firefly and add the comet to replace it all i really use is the firefly its awsome just needs the armor of a jumbo but yea usa needs to be better to i mean a t29? its cool looking to but sucks
i find pershing for usa firefly for uk if you use them right you can accomplish endless posibilities on the field i took 3 is3s a pershing and a t29 eith 1 firefly in ffa mode tho but still 1 FIREFLY taking all thoose out and finaly running out off gass in mid of battlefield and being poped in engine and going boom that tank needs to be remebered R.I.P that poor firefly a moment of silence plz. ---------------------------------------------- 2 hrs later ok now moving on the uk are very under powered i saw a video of a firefly desimating a tiger on youtube real acctul footage (from men of war) i really think that you are on to something flint and i hope the creators adknowaldge this big mistake of underpowered uk cause if there tanks sucked how did they last so long in real life p.s uk right now is an ambush/flanking country and should not be used in common slugouts like they should be they need boosted alot i really despritlyhope they add the comet but the turtle is awsome ambusher if you position it right Cmdr.Misktavine over and out see you on the battlefield soldier cant wait for a fricking comet IM SO EXITED THAT I JUST CANT HIDE IT iM ABOUT TO LOSE CONTROL AND i THINK I LIKE IT *thows keyboard across room and jumps on comp singing)

Misky, alot of the information your telling me here is what i told you about the UK when i first met you o.o especialy the thing about UK being a flanking country. But the point of this post is, UK shouldnt NEED to flank, as theyr guns could penetrate tigers hull at 1k meters away. but that doesnt change theyr armor, which is why you dont wana get in a slug out. I told ya all this when i first met ya online, and your just repeating it to me -_- Also, if they were to add a comet, it could engage in slug outs with tigers and panthers, as it had more armor then the Tiger 1. Turtles not great for an ambush, much to large profile, and much to slow, if you position an Achilles right or a 17 pdr, thats great for an ambush. And really, alot of your post doesnt make any sense, and is quite inacurate. Improving a fireflys hull armor would make it unrealistic. Firefly is a M4A4 sherman with a 17pdr. This is a serious post, alot of research went into making it as i didnt want to appear stupid. Please take it seriously, and please, if your gona post, make a serious post and dont screw around. Sorry, but i feel like you dont respect my post when you comment like this, and almost like your making fun of it.