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10-15-2009, 11:07 PM
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I think that various company's developed aircraft on their own dime. Then had to compete against, to win the goverment contract through performance results...having won the contract, then tax payer money would enter the picture for pre orders
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10-16-2009, 12:23 AM
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 They didn't loose money...they made money. If the game included an aeroplane that looked very much like a "Wildcat", but was not called a "Wildcat" I believe that Grumman would have a very hard time collecting money...but because the box said "Fly the Wildcat", Grumman can make a pretty strong case that the game manufacturer is making money off of their property. Last edited by proton45; 10-16-2009 at 12:30 AM.
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10-16-2009, 02:03 AM
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Two legal questions about this.
1. What if Oleg and crew didn't use Grumman but either wildcat, hellcat ect or F4F-3 is there still a case for Grumman? 2. What if the a/c in question were added into the sim either by a free patch by Oleg or as we have now by mods, what then? There is no money involved there. Flyingbullseye
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10-16-2009, 02:27 AM
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The world was at war, Britain, Australia, Russia, etc they all needed equipment as well. The government even paid for Howard Hughes Spruce Goose, start to finish. I double doubt those American aircraft companies could do anything with an American based game developer. The lawyers would love those lawsuits. Last edited by nearmiss; 10-16-2009 at 02:29 AM.
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10-16-2009, 02:52 AM
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Actually, the whole "who owns the rights" gets really complicated with defense contracts. These days most governments are including explicit clauses into their contracts that when they buy it, they buy everything, including future design rights, including the rights to hand the designs to 3rd parties for additional design and development.
I'm told that the paperwork entailed in a single mid-sized DOD contract will fill a C-130 Hercules loaded on standard pallets. As in, they will literally fly a C-130 out there, and you will completely fill it with contract paperwork, shrink wrapped and stacked onto standard pallets in the appropriate Legal Paper loading configuration.
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10-16-2009, 04:23 AM
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Two aircraft come to mind.
The Douglas A20 Havoc (Boston) and the Bristol Blenheim. Both were private venture developments that were not done to specific government contract requirements, but were purchased by their respective governments because their demonstrated performance was so good. The P51 also sort of fits this description, because has you may recall, it was not built to a government specification. It was a private venture design offered to the RAF in lieu of the P40, that the RAF was actually looking to purchase.
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10-19-2009, 03:31 PM
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10-20-2009, 08:27 AM
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We must not forget that Grumman et consorties (the "defence" contractors) live on fear. The population must live in fear and a belive that the outside world is evil and that US must use every available dollar to buy moore weapons from the contractors.
Then comes a Russian (one of the evil commies!) guy and gives microsoft a teatching on how a flightsim should look! And then the commie goes on and sort of clames that the Soviets won the war!! Do you seriusly think that Grumman would slap Oleg on the back? " Congrats comrade you surly made a nice Grumman XXX there! This will cast some light on history and bring our nations together again like old times!" Think not! Regards Viking
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10-21-2009, 05:42 PM
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Grumman holds the rights on the design of the planes as well, so they say. so if you use a too-close representation of it, you could get sued. The name "Drumman FBT Revenger" may not be enough to get them of a developper's back. Same for those questions 1. What if Oleg and crew didn't use Grumman but either wildcat, hellcat ect or F4F-3 is there still a case for Grumman? Yes 2. What if the a/c in question were added into the sim either by a free patch by Oleg or as we have now by mods, what then? There is no money involved there. Money involved as even a free patch can be considered as helping your sales of the game. BTW, be aware that other weapon manufacturers, including guns are starting to go the same way, so we might be doomed with fake weapons on FPS and such...or the costs will be added to the game. (Car manufacturers have licensed their cars for a while now) Want to help change the trend? Join the ECA in Northern America and / or write to your Congree representative.
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