Bf-109 G-10 worth unlocking?

[MorgothNL]

thnx for the replys and info guys

I will give the 109 series another shot, maybe today I will be more 'lucky' with the cannon.

@voyager: cool table , wich type of mg151 do the bf109 have? API / HET / HE(M)?

@mr greezy: I do just fine with the 109's as well, normally end up with most kills, or 2nd to most (depending on ancient seraph ). But when I used the 109's yesterday, it just took soooo many hits to down someone, were the spit only takes a 1 second well aimed burst.
(again,im not talking about the G-6 and K-4, those do kill quick)

I do not always use BnZ tactics, it depends on my opponents skill, and the type of their aircraft. Against other 109's, I turn. Against spit/la/yak I boom and zoom, and sometimes turn if they have target fixation on a target at their 12 oclock.

[Widar]

Originally Posted by MorgothNL

thnx for the replys and info guys

I will give the 109 series another shot, maybe today I will be more 'lucky' with the cannon.

@voyager: cool table , wich type of mg151 do the bf109 have? API / HET / HE(M)?

@mr greezy: I do just fine with the 109's as well, normally end up with most kills, or 2nd to most (depending on ancient seraph ). But when I used the 109's yesterday, it just took soooo many hits to down someone, were the spit only takes a 1 second well aimed burst.
(again,im not talking about the G-6 and K-4, those do kill quick)

I do not always use BnZ tactics, it depends on my opponents skill, and the type of their aircraft. Against other 109's, I turn. Against spit/la/yak I boom and zoom, and sometimes turn if they have target fixation on a target at their 12 oclock.

At the risk of flogging a dead horse...

Based on testing I would say the best manoeuvrable Me 109 performer in BOP (not in real life) is the F-4. With some training it can be flown at between 18/20 and 20/20 sensitivity. If you are a really good shot in BOP the F-4 is probably the best choice. When comparing the F-4 to the G-10 in BOP:

- The F-4 dives, turns and rolls faster than the G-10;
- The G-10 climbs faster and has a greater top speed than the F-4;
- Both have 1x20 mm MG 151/20 cannon, the G-10 however additionally has 2x13 mm MG 131 machine guns and the F-4 instead has 2x7.92 mm MG 17 machine guns, but all this makes no noticeable difference in BOP. The only Me 109's in BOP with a decent impact armament are the G-6 and the K-4.

In real life however the G-10 was generally better than the F-4 and had a 30 mm Mk 108 cannon instead of the 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon that it has in BOP. The Me 109 G-1 up till G-8 generally had the DB 605 A engine. The Me 109 G-10 had the DB 605 DM or DB (MW 50) engine. That engine was also one of the main improvements of the G-10. In BOP terms however I have to agree that the Me 109 G-10 is not really worth the unlock effort for BOP online duels. In my BOP 20-aircraft test data list on this forum I have also supplied comparative G-10 data vis-a-vis the 20 historical aircraft on that list. My last post in that test data thread also supplies historical data on the Me 109's, Spitfires and their historical armament in 1939-1941. Admittedly that post is not for someone with a 5-second attention span.

There are some clear errors in armament in BOP unfortunately, which explains the difficulty you mention in getting victories in the Me 109 and the ease of getting them in the Spitfire in BOP. Data sources clearly state, including the Messerschmitt foundation itself, that the later model G-10’s had the 30 mm Mk 108 cannon and some sources arguably state that later some G-10’s and K-4’s were supplied the even deadlier 30 mm Mk 103. The Fw 190’s in BOP are also missing 2x20 mm MG151/20 cannon, the 1940 Spitfire and Hurricane are, respectively, erroneously supplied with 2x20 mm cannon and 12x12.7 mm machine guns instead of with 8x7.7 mm machine guns and there are more examples of these kinds of errors in BOP.

So, to sum up the conclusions: the German and US (fighter) aircraft in BOP generally perform well below the performance of their true life counterparts in various performance categories. Many disadvantageous errors for mainly the German and US fighters are evident, at the same time many advantageous errors for the Soviet and British aircraft are evident. Many clear errors can be found in BOP concerning the German aircraft, regarding: flight performance, armament load out, armament performance, model availability date, manoeuvrability, durability, accuracy and hit probability. There are a lot of detailed first hand data sources on these subjects which underline these conclusions. Internet sources are generally suspect, notwithstanding that here is a site that has real life Me 109 test data:

http://www.kurfurst.org/index.html

On the real life Me 109's and Fw 190's armament load out: I saw a recent interview with the No. 7. German Fighter Ace Erich Rudorffer, who has 222 confirmed aerial victories (incl. 58 IL-2’s) from 1939 to 1945, while flying the Me 109, Fw 190 and Me 262 in western, southern and eastern Europe and in northern Africa. In it he mentions that these fighters were field equipped how a particular pilot wanted it for a particular mission. For missions he had either extra or fewer cannon, machine guns etc. installed depending on the theatre, area, mission and enemy opposition. In BOP unfortunately the players are not given that choice.

[ChankyChank]

The G10 is noticably faster than the other 109s and handles well but I never fly it because of it's armament. After being accustomed to K4s and G6s it was very hard for me to adapt to the G10. I usually fly the 109 solely for it's weapons. If you hit another fighter they are either going to die, or be severely damaged so that you can finish the kill. For me the G10 wouldn't have been worth the work if the 109 isn't a plane that I fly often.

[MorgothNL]

There we go , thats what I was thinking. But you back it up with facts .
Dont suppose we will see the armament power of the bf109 increased . too bad. It would really have made them enjoyable planes