Ok Im convinced: The IL-2 is WAY too over spec. - Page 3

King Jareth · #21 09-28-2009, 07:26 AM

Does the BoP damage model account for death of crew (besides the pilot)?

p.s. you 2 need to get a room and work out these tensions

Ancient Seraph · #22 09-28-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by King Jareth

Does the BoP damage model account for death of crew (besides the pilot)?

Not as far as I've noticed. This kind of sucks, although it's also understandable. If we would be able to kill all the gunners in a bomber this would destroy it's main defense, making it completely defenseless. You'd be able to destroy a bomber by just being on it's 6, this is not realistic either. Introducing overheating guns in the gunner position would be a good midway.
The reason any bomber with gunners works in DF/TB is because player do not know how to attack them, just like Lexandro pointed out. If there's a B17 in the opposite team in TB, I just ignore it, unless it crosses straight through my line of fire. Without anyone attacking a B17, it's fairly harmless. People don't understand this, hence a B17 gets kills.
Anyways, back to topic. I've never tried to shoot down an IL-2 in RL, hence I do not know how well it was or wasn't armored. I think I can safely assume you haven't either. Using Wikipedia as your main argument against a team of WWII sim developers might not be the way to go, no offense. If you adjust your tactics you'll see that bombers are not that effective, and can be taken down relatively easy. Just try out what Lexandro also pointed out, practice a bit, and you won't have any troubles with IL-2's anymore.

Riceball · #23 09-28-2009, 10:21 AM

You did'nt know? The IL-2 was the best aircraft in the war. And the Mustang was the worst. Where have you been?

Edit: Oh, wait......Sarcasm for you numbskulls.

FOZ_1983 · #24 09-28-2009, 11:06 AM

The IL2 was a great ground attack aircraft so armour was usually needed. So giving them plenty of armour.... but they were fodder for fighters, hence the rear gunner.

Im in agreement with some of the things here, such as it does seem a bit hard to destroy, but i think to myslef that maybe because itd ground attack hen i'll just switch to a different target and save my ammo, BUT the rear gunner is ridiculous. He was armed with a pea shooter that did over heat!! yet in the game it doesn't. ALSO.... has anyone noticed the ammo capacity when playing with limited ammo? (ammo capacity for rear gunner?)

i find the stuka to be similar. Far to well armoured and not as easy to take down as it should be.

Riceball · #25 09-28-2009, 11:24 AM

I would bet the Typhoon was a much scarier sight. This bird ate armor colomns for breakfast.

FOZ_1983 · #26 09-28-2009, 11:30 AM

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I would bet the Typhoon was a much scarier sight.

It was for the wermacht.

But for anyone the sight of a few typhoons circling above must of been terryfying!!!

FOZ_1983 · #27 09-28-2009, 11:32 AM

i do believe the wermacht had to move by night because of the typhoon. By day it would just tear armour to pieces.

Only one typhoon surives to this day and thats static display and the RAF museum in hendon. Its a lovely looking bird.

One more in france somewhere but its not authentic, i think it was made up of different parts.

Riceball · #28 09-28-2009, 11:42 AM

Too bad there is so few remaining. Maybe there are a few wrecks to be found and restored.

It really was THE ground attack aircraft of it's time.

FOZ_1983 · #29 09-28-2009, 11:45 AM

Maybe, but finding them in a half decent condition would not be easy. For a near complete wreck you'd have to probably look in a lake (seems to be where most complete wrecks are located).

unless blueprints turn up.

would love to see one of these flying in the near future.

Riceball · #30 09-28-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

Maybe, but finding them in a half decent condition would not be easy. For a near complete wreck you'd have to probably look in a lake (seems to be where most complete wrecks are located).

unless blueprints turn up.

would love to see one of these flying in the near future.

They would need to be in decent condition. The two airworthy P-40s, which were recovered somewhere toward the Pacific were raised up off the ground by the land owner, and sprayed with Desel fuel!!!

And one P-38 was recovered from 30 ft of ice.