If UBI's DRM scheme is unacceptable...

[KG26_Alpha]

That's the point you are not buying the software, just the right to use it.

And I give up lol.

[SlipBall]

The game must be protected at all cost

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by yellonet

I want to use a game by just installing it and then playing it, no strings attached, I just want the game, nothing else, I do not want to be constantly online, I don't want any root kits and other malware installed.

I think we're in agreement there basically but what would be the problem, from your point of view, with online activation and online de activation (in case of system upgrade), as well an authentication check for access to a multiplayer server and an authentication check for game/ sim patch/ upgrade?

Originally Posted by yellonet

Blaming the pirates is just buying into the rhetoric of the market, oh yeah... there's pirates, so now all non-pirates have to be punished?

leaving the politics aside... its the small % which bugger things up for every body else - fact - everything from public telephones to dodging objects being thrown from overhead foot bridges, to even the louts at the local on a Saturday night.

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

I hate to rain on your parade there buddy, but how did you extrapolate all that from my post you quoted?

out in the rural or remote community of Canada? how do they get their email then?

Ah... you don't get e-mail or you pull it in using an old dial-up modem (28.8k anyone?). If there aren't any land lines you can do point-to-point with short-wave radio. Of course, if you're in the high Arctic most Inuit communities have satellite, but the rest of us further south are screwed

However, you can install your software and even activate it in the city and then ship the computer to wherever you're going.

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Or, (this bit is for Avimimus as well) with your shiny new car... that you've replaced the engine and running gear with the engine and running gear from another manufacturer and wonder why the dealer you've bought car from won't honour your shop warranty?

I don't like being a kept pet. I'd rather be able to fix things myself or have multiple sources of spares than have my activities "owned" by a warranty.

Similarly, I'd rather own my appliances than lease them. I certainly wouldn't want to give those running a warranty keys to my house and permission for them to muck about without telling me what they were doing or asking permission to enter the property.

This might be worth reading (in case you missed it):
http://web.archive.org/web/200502120.../emancipn.html

[Wolf_Rider]

so, what you seem to be saying is... you don't update your system and won't update your system/ game or sim in fear of that being too intrusive.
You also seem to be saying that while satellite connections exist all around you, you won't adopt the technology.
You haven't replied to your poor extrapolation of my post (ie where was automatic forced update mentioned?)and

and what has religion got to do with this?

[addman]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I don't think I'm punished buying software. I have a clear conscience and feel good about my purchase --- even if I'm just getting a lifetime loan of it.

I appreciate people like Oleg, who give it their best. I want to support that kind of effort, also if I had my choice... I'd prefer to buy it with download so more of the money would go to Oleg.

This kinda how I feel also.

[GerritJ9]

Is it 100% certain UBI will be the publisher in the Rest of the World? If so, I won't be buying it. And Oleg can thank UBI for their BoontyBox fiasco with 4.05m (I haven't forgiven UBI for that one) and their treatment of the buyers of SH5 for that.
Instead, I'll wait until I go to Kiev again and buy the Ukrainian version.

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

so, what you seem to be saying is... you don't update your system and won't update your system/ game or sim in fear of that being too intrusive.

You also seem to be saying that while satellite connections exist all around you, you won't adopt the technology.

You haven't replied to your poor extrapolation of my post (ie where was automatic forced update mentioned?)and

and what has religion got to do with this?

Ah...

1) I don't like updating software if I can't look at the files being updated beforehand. The same goes for windows update (which can produce compatibility problems). I prefer manual installs. There is no reason why most updates to software would require you to download and run an executable (when a copy command or use of batch files would do). So, yes - depending on how the patching system works.

2) Adopting a satellite internet connection would cost thousands of dollars per year. The reason why Inuit communities get them has to do with resource extraction and the small number of communities in the Arctic (just over fifty settlements). I'm much further south.

3) Ah... I was just pointing out that I don't really like warranties and the automatic update and/or silently contacting servers that we see in Steam or some DRM schemes is much more like giving the support company permission to enter your house at any time, change things around (as well as look around) and possibly try to "fix" things which are already working and accidentally make them no longer work. Few people would accept this treatment in the non-digital world.

4) The document is actually the 1861 emancipation of the Serfs in Russia. The fact that it is couched in religious terms is a accident of history. The basic point is that we are accepting becoming tenants or even serfs in the digital world - while many of us seek to own our homes in the material world.

There is no reason why we should have to accept this double standard.

[proton45]

IDK why people are freaking out...I run a lot of different kinds of software and almost all of them required some kind of "online activation". Music programs, graphics and animation software all require some kind of internet connection to activate them...this is 2011 and pretty much all software is heading in this direction.

Its not really that big a deal...I dont really like the idea of "authentication/security programs" but, unless, they are a huge CPU hog that is running all the time, it doesn't bother me...

[The Kraken]

Do most of these installations also require a permanent internet connection to run and stop working when your connection or the company servers are down? As this is what Ubi has introduced last year as their superbly customer-friendly online service. And underlined more than once that they don't care if people complain about it; they'll keep using it for various titles as it provides so many superb advantages. Maybe over the years we'll learn to appreciate it - then we can say again, "everyone is doing this, so what's the big deal"

For CoD all indications are this will not be used, but until there's an official confirmation you shouldn't be surprised that people are cautious. And of course it's possible that a later mandatory update will insert this "service" into the game.

Hey it's all in the EULA and that must not be questioned!