Il-2 MODs

[LEXX]

No. Oleg knew about the "hack" several years ago and was okay with it. Let it slide.

[Bearcat]

The fact that it took what... 4-5 years for the sim to get hacked.. and a bit longer for it to become available tpo the public says alot about the sim. The fact that anyone with an SFS extractor cant just go in there and make a mod.. it isn't like an SDK package... also says a lot.

I think one of the things that makes this different is that the community is older.. and frankly I dont know too many folks who would want a win from a cheat.

[carguy_]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2300

This thread shows the situation. I stress, the mod supporters were never able to deny valid vanilla supporters` arguments.

I got over it some time ago as I quit IL2 in 2007. The thing worthy of remembering is what kind of people former IL2 community had all along. Sad.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

If you don't play il2 then why are you even here? It's only your opinion that the anti-modders arguments were unasailable. Here it is over a year later and all the doom and gloom the anti-modders were wailing about never came to be.

[Brain32]

Why wouldn't he be here? This is 1C games forum, and since there's still no official forum for Storm Of War this is the place to be.
And actually he is damn right, there are issues about the modding that fanatic suporters never managed to deny - because it's impossible.

Here it is over a year later and all the doom and gloom the anti-modders were wailing about never came to be.

No? Really? Well how to F would you know if you are only playing with mods? Let's just say that a "birdie" told me how many people were caught to use mods on a declared non-mod server - the number is downright SHOCKING!!! And those were caught, how many were smart enough not to be caught?

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by carguy_

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2300

This thread shows the situation. I stress, the mod supporters were never able to deny valid vanilla supporters` arguments.

I got over it some time ago as I quit IL2 in 2007. The thing worthy of remembering is what kind of people former IL2 community had all along. Sad.

That thread shows a lot more than I think you realize. I think everyone here should take the time to read that thread. All 100+ pages of it and compare it to the reality 12+ months later.. Very interesting stuff. That 113 page thread thread went from 11/21/07 to 1/10/08 and pretty much covered just about every argument pro and con on the mods.

Carguy the " mod supporters", at least the ones here, don't have to deny jack. The history speaks for itself. The work speaks for itself. Look at that thread. Really read the whole thing, including many of your posts, and compare it with the facts of today.. Oh.. that's right.. you cant do that... you quit IL2 when that thread was being made most likely.. because it was the end of the world right? So basically anything you have to say on the subject is coming from misinformation and speculation on what happened in other sims way back when.. Y'know, it's interesting. 95% of the stuff in there as far as worries and prophecies of doom for online flying in IL2 from several people, YOU included, have not even come to pass. Not even close. Right now there are over 600 folks on HL.. on a Tuesday @1915 EST. So much for the death of online play...


I said it then.. I'll say it now... the sim is hacked. Get over it.

If you cant do that then do like Carguy did and leave... but STFU about it because it is a moot point.

Seriously.....

Today there is a history to go along with it. Unlike back when that thread was created, posted in and locked... it is now a year later... and the work speaks for itself. The integrity of this community speaks for itself. We are not a community of cheaters and the modders are not "pimply faced teenagers".

I waited almost a year (9 months from when this all started) before I tried any of the mods. It was D-Day of 08 that I finally tried them. I am glad I waited... they were worth the wait.

The old arguments need to be revised. Like them or not, there is no denying that the mods have not hurt the sim. They have not ruined online flying. The expected FM & DM mods have not come en masse.... Most of the mods are functional improvements and immersion boosters.. and as I have said from day one.. they aren't going anywhere no matter who likes them or doesnt. Those who insist on seeing the doom and gloom where there is none need to look at today and stop looking at this issue from the prism of the past.

Carguy you talk about the "kind of people former IL2 community had all along" as if the current community were somehow deviant or had less character. That is BS man..[i] now if you didn't mean it that way and I just took it wrong then I apologize now... but somehow I think that you seem to be insinuating that because many in this community have chosen to use the mods that have been out for over a year now, and actually like some of them with little if any ill effects, at the very least nothing that a reinstall cant fix... and people had issues with patches... official patches.. that they are somehow bad people or have tarnished the community.

If that is what you DID mean then I totally disagree with you and I say that the fact that 12+ months after the initial "crime" there are NOT widespread FM-DM-Wep mods, hack kiddies have NOT taken over the sim, UFOs have not invaded HyperLobby , in all this the community is generally policing itself. There are now maps for Slovenia, The Med... with Italy Africa & Greece, The Phillipines, Burma, The English Channel.. and more... there are flyable bombers with cockpits, IL2 1946 has probably sold more because of these mods, although I dont have the figures, from what I understand the mods don't work on the downloaded version.

Now all this may go to rot in a year or two... if that is to be the case that was the fact the moment the sim was hacked and you and others like you can shortchange yourself by not flying... or whatever you want to do. Me? I am going to continue to enjoy this sim that I have invested thousands in flying over the past 7 years... and enjoy the h@ll out of it while I can.

[Al Schlageter]

but STFU about it because it is a moot point.

LOL!!! Such language would get one a nasty PM or a ban from a prissy Mod over at UBI.

[Seeker]

ROFL at Bearcat using "integrity".

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Brain32

Why wouldn't he be here? This is 1C games forum, and since there's still no official forum for Storm Of War this is the place to be.
And actually he is damn right, there are issues about the modding that fanatic suporters never managed to deny - because it's impossible.

No? Really? Well how to F would you know if you are only playing with mods? Let's just say that a "birdie" told me how many people were caught to use mods on a declared non-mod server - the number is downright SHOCKING!!! And those were caught, how many were smart enough not to be caught?

So ... all the mods are cheats right?

Y'see the thing that you don't get is that while there may be cheat mods out there.. I can't deny that.. I haven't seen any but I cant deny that they exist... but here you say
that because a person is using mods they can't possibly know about cheats.. what.. you think it is like some kind of virus or something...

MODS DO NOT EQUAL CHEATS. JUST BECAUSE A PERSON USES MODS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE/SHE CONDONES OR PRACTICES CHEATING.

Just because a person uses mods does not mean that their version of the sim is hot and ready to become a cheat factory. That is not how the mods work. The majority of those mods have nothing to do with FMs or DMs at all....

Originally Posted by Seeker

ROFL at Bearcat using "integrity".

Well maybe you just hang out with the wrong class of people.. All the ones I hang out with on either side if the mods issue wouldn't think a victory gained by a cheat was worth the time it took to achieve.

I do think that if a server host wants a mod free server he is entitled to that regardless to the mod. I have come to see these mods however as more functionality. While as I asid I am sure there are FDW mods.. most of them just add functionality.

[fly_zo]

... this discussion was pointless a year ago but now it's just ridiculous . Same arguments all over again ... one would think that "purist" would come out with new ammunition by now .

It's nice to see that Brain32 hasn't lost his edge though .... pozdrav tebi i Kuni

Anyway , i just stopped to wish you all happy and prosperous New Year ... modders and purists

regards
z
p.s. still missing Evgeny around here ...