4.12 and UP.3.rc4

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

If it was 3 or 4 years ago, I'd go with the new encryption idea, but nowadays, times have changed, I think. I don't know, what else is there regarding small mod groups (like those french I never heard of), but just taking the mainstream ones, I see, with UP slowly fading away, HSFX still keeping up very well on base of actual stock version, and then the stock game itself, kept alive by us. There is no more such big wars and flaming around and I feel, the situation is better than at any point in the last years, since modding started.

I don't see any reason (and the whole team doesn't as well) to do a new encryption. It would sepearate the community - nobody wants that - and after all, it would be broken soon anyway. Nothing worth the effort.

[Hans Burger]

OK, it is another point of view. I don't share it, but it is not so important, of course.
About french groups, as I know, there are active on 4.09 modding activities on several domains: new 3D projects, but also in reprogramming core class or dll.
I am probably not wrong, but I think that the SFS packer used by UP has been done by one guy of these groups.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by |ZUTI|

Hello friends.

It has been brought to my attention that there are still irregularities in regards of "my" work and IL2. So, let me set them straight so that you can quote me on it for future reference

.......

Feel free to quote me on the above in any future references about the myth about me, MDS and DT.
Enjoy your IL2 guys. ATM it is all you have (after the CloD fiasco).
Take care!

Whatever went on before, I think it's worth saying that your work on the Moving Dogfight Server is VERY much appreciated. I'm glad you were able to collaborate with Team Daidalos to bring it to the stock game. Definitely a great thing! Thank you again!

[Bearcat]

Zuti thanks so much for the clarification it is very much appreciated and very good to know. I always thought that TD was separate from the mods... that it was just that HSFX was compatible with the stock sim hence TD.. am I mistaken there? I still think that the MDS is one of the single most important things to come out of the whole mod situation and the fact that it is still in the stock sim should be more widely known even if some of it's features (RRR for one .. from what I have read) do not fully function.. From where I sit it wouldn't matter to me who you worked with as long as the MDS is in the stock sim and whatever issues remain can be worked out at some point.

Hans ... from my understanding some of that stuff you mentioned and more is planned for 4.12. That is one reason why for me.. it is important to keep a mod pack that is compatible with the stock sim because as some of these things that started out as mods are incorporated into the stock sim over time the conflicts become fewer and the mod packs become more streamlined. I think that adding 6DoF and the MDS to 4.10 was a huge step toward that goal as those two mods (among some others that have been also added) are both very useful to any incarnation of the sim...

BS29... I am surprised that you had difficulty with HSFX.. I have never had a problem with the install ... never. As for the stock FMs I don't think they are changed in HSFX .. only the mod planes.. the D-25,30 and 20NT in the P-51s and the other modded planes. From my understanding the FMs of the stock aircraft were not touched at all. As for the overheat model .. Isn't that the stock overheat model that came with 4.11? That has nothing to do with mods. From what I have recently come to understand the MDS is still in the stock version of the sim. I too thought it was removed after 4.10 due to some issue with Zuti and TD but this thread right here @ 1C and Zuti's post above clears that up once and for all.

Caspar.. that French group is the crew from Check6 I believe.. and those guys have been a round a long long time actually..


I don't think mods are killing the sim at all.. I think that the fact that there is a mod pack that is compatible with the stock version of the sim is fantastic and I hope that cooperation never changes.

[Hans Burger]

Caspar.. that French group is the crew from Check6 I believe.. and those guys have been a round a long long time actually..

I think you are wrong. A mod pack has been built by Check 6, few years ago, based on 4.09. Since this date, no development occured. As I know, 4.09 mod packs continue to be developped by two distinct groups: Histomod and II/JG51.

[|ZUTI|]

Bearcat: HSFX is compatible that fast with new releases because a lot of DT team were closely connected to it. How it is now, I have no idea but as things are I think it can be safe to say that situation is the same. IMHO only. Situation with me comming from another pack group was, well, problematic. Since I did not want to cut my ties with them things were bound to go south in the end. Back then there was only one "community"

Black_Sage29: I did give it a try. Not worth the trouble in the end.

IceFire: thank you sir.

Hans B. said it best: those interested soely in the IL2 stick with their version and mod it for their own use. And we are still enjoying it very much If only guys at DT would also focus a bit on updating few things in the graphics engine and gave proper AI to water and ground vehicles. Then it would be pure awesomness.

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by |ZUTI|

If only guys at DT would ......... give proper AI to water and ground vehicles. Then it would be pure awesomness.

A selective quote, but I strongly agree.

[semor]

Originally Posted by Black_Sage29

THIS!!Mods are killing this game fast.

This is simply not true!!
I can´t belive it,we live in the year 2013...
Post´s like this are really dividing the rest of the IL-2 comunity

Without the work of the Modders/mod groups AND the great work of TD,IL-2 would be be dead for a long,long time. This is a fact! I can not speak for the onliners,b´cause like many others,I fly offline.

"HSFX is not a walk in the park to install for the layman" ...Well,I don´t want to sound rude,but please don´t talk such BS. If you can´t handle an easy "point and click" exe installer...well that´s your problem.The most other users can do it. HSFX&DBW&UP...etc. are simple installs which gives a lot of great and usefull content to the users who wants it.There is a great comunity out there that gives a "every day" support for those packages.like TD for the official Paches here on the "yellow forum"

Belive me,most of the new Simmers are starting with mods,I can see it every day on SAS and other forums.

You´re mentioned right, this game is dying fast.So,lets hold together and don´t creating a split with such anti mod tirade.

Guys,I don´t want to offended anyone,but when I read lines like " Mods are killing the Game fast...it´s like a stitch in my heart. Let´s enjoy IL-2.With or without mods.

Peace to all.
Semor

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

If it was 3 or 4 years ago, I'd go with the new encryption idea, but nowadays, times have changed, I think. I don't know, what else is there regarding small mod groups (like those french I never heard of), but just taking the mainstream ones, I see, with UP slowly fading away, HSFX still keeping up very well on base of actual stock version, and then the stock game itself, kept alive by us. There is no more such big wars and flaming around and I feel, the situation is better than at any point in the last years, since modding started.

I don't see any reason (and the whole team doesn't as well) to do a new encryption. It would sepearate the community - nobody wants that - and after all, it would be broken soon anyway. Nothing worth the effort.

Blocking all mods out wouldn't be a good idea, I agree. In particular the sound related ones. However, having something that can regulate what is allowed on the server (other than venerable CRT2), so that servers can either allow mods or lock everything non stock out - would be a tremendous help for online community IMO.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

Blocking all mods out wouldn't be a good idea, I agree. In particular the sound related ones. However, having something that can regulate what is allowed on the server (other than venerable CRT2), so that servers can either allow mods or lock everything non stock out - would be a tremendous help for online community IMO.

I agree .. I think at this point it would do more harm than good.