Just FYI, SOW is not dead

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

As i said... there is a big difference between publishers and developers...

Yeah, this little difference seems to be a big mystery, apparently even for those who claim to work in the business and run their own projects.

If you want to have news, regular updates, movies, WIP-stuff, Dev-Diaries, advertising-campaigns and stuff like that, you should post it on the UBI-forums, not here. Oleg and his team program this game, UBI-Soft is the one responsible for everything PR related, including approval and denial of informations being released by others.

[mondo]

Feuerfalke, while in a way your argument is valid, 1C is the Russian publisher for Maddox games. So Oleg has just as much validity to post new here as he does on Ubi.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by mondo

Feuerfalke, while in a way your argument is valid, 1C is the Russian publisher for Maddox games. So Oleg has just as much validity to post new here as he does on Ubi.

Not necessarily, as the internet is NOT limited to the Russian market. Their rights for publishing however ARE limited to that area.

As you might know from the past, there were pictures released in a game magazine about early phases of SoW, showing cockpits and stuff, before it was released in the rest of the world. How long did it take to spread the scans? Not a full day IIRC and I can very well imagine that UBI didn't really like that.

It was also mentioned several times, that 1C is not free to post news and stuff on the internet. This is not only true for SoW, but also for the Korean sim being worked on. It's pretty clearly stated on the RRG-Homepage that they cannot post updates as long as the title is not officially announced.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke

Yeah, this little difference seems to be a big mystery, apparently even for those who claim to work in the business and run their own projects.

If you want to have news, regular updates, movies, WIP-stuff, Dev-Diaries, advertising-campaigns and stuff like that, you should post it on the UBI-forums, not here. Oleg and his team program this game, UBI-Soft is the one responsible for everything PR related, including approval and denial of informations being released by others.

Can you verify that Ubisoft is still the publisher for the western hemisphere? Got link? I don't know but the 1C/Atari co-publishing deal must have put some gravel in the machinery I guess. There was for sure an agreement with Ubisoft regarding SoW:BoB as the only official press release is from Ubisoft, and it SEEMS to be excluded from the Atari deal. Very little public information is available so I can only guess that everything is not as it used to be between Ubisoft/1C/Maddox Games. By the way, as you seem informed - can you explain the financing of this game. Who pays for the development? Ubisoft, 1C or Maddox Games themselves? Who has a deal with who by the way? Are all the international publishing deals going through 1C or does Maddox Games have a "loose" relationship with 1C. Who really owns Maddox Games by the way?

Regarding the claim that all information is channeled through the publisher and their web site, what is really the deal with the images and information in this forum from Oleg? This is the only information that has been released the last year and it's not avaliable anywhere on the Ubisoft forums... Why? Why does not Oleg post there instead if the business agreements between the developer and the publisher is crystal clear and everything is nice and dandy?

/Mazex

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by mazex

Can you verify that Ubisoft is still the publisher for the western hemisphere? Got link? I don't know but the 1C/Atari co-publishing deal must have put some gravel in the machinery I guess. There was for sure an agreement with Ubisoft regarding SoW:BoB as the only official press release is from Ubisoft, and it SEEMS to be excluded from the Atari deal. Very little public information is available so I can only guess that everything is not as it used to be between Ubisoft/1C/Maddox Games. By the way, as you seem informed - can you explain the financing of this game. Who pays for the development? Ubisoft, 1C or Maddox Games themselves? Who has a deal with who by the way? Are all the international publishing deals going through 1C or does Maddox Games have a "loose" relationship with 1C. Who really owns Maddox Games by the way?

Regarding the claim that all information is channeled through the publisher and their web site, what is really the deal with the images and information in this forum from Oleg? This is the only information that has been released the last year and it's not avaliable anywhere on the Ubisoft forums... Why? Why does not Oleg post there instead if the business agreements between the developer and the publisher is crystal clear and everything is nice and dandy?

/Mazex

I'm not working with 1C, Maddox team, UBI-Soft or anything. But I do read forums and all the information I post is either posted here, on the UBI-Forums or over at SimHQ. There's nothing secret or insider-news about it. Just one minute of this nice little forum-search-tool or google will do.

You are right. There was a big storm in the fishbowl, when ATARI made the deal official they will publish future products for 1C in the western hemisphere. At this time, SoW-engine was already licensed to UBI, though, and not part of the deal with ATARI. Apparently UBI-Soft was convinced by the success of the IL2-Series, that SoW will be even more profitable and secured the deal quite early.
http://www.firingsquad.com/news/news...searchid=15164

Considering all news and circumstances I guess UBI-Soft does the major part of the financing, while 1C does the rest, so of course they also dictate what information is released, how and when. To put it more clearly: Maddox Games is producing the title, UBI and 1C have licensed or "bought" it, so it is practically theirs. That is probably also the reason why we see those little tidbits of information here and not on UBI: 1C probably uses their part of the deal to put out some information. That is up to them and UBI, though, not to Maddox Games or Oleg himself.

Remember that in the past with all products from the IL2-Line, even every single producers note-clip had to be sent to UBI approved and then was published on their servers. Same is for the patches and downloadable addons.


So, the answer why Oleg does not post just as he likes to, was answered several times, but apparently not in a way that pleases people.


Link (to one of these 1Cs forum btw.):
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...3886#post33886

Originally Posted by Anatoly

The release dates depend on our Western partners and their plans, so sometimes we can't give an exact answer to this question.

In other words: If UBI allows informations to be posted, there will be informations posted.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

As i said... there is a big difference between publishers and developers...

+1

[{adi}-luke]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

Greetings folks,
I see a lot of rumors going around about SOW being dead, discontinued, taking out of webstores, etc...not only on this forum, others as well...

It is NOT dead, and one of the reason Oleg is not around is THE indication of that. They are extremely busy with development, working crazy hours, etc. Oleg mentioned to me that he did not forget about you people and that IF he has time, he will organize some kind of update in the nearest future.

The end

Dear Crazyivan

I believe that a new post by Oleg with news about development could delete this rumors.

Last post is from 2 months ago !

I think that Oleg should spend some minutes to keep alive interesting for SOW.

Thanks for answering.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by {adi}-luke

Dear Crazyivan

I believe that a new post by Oleg with news about development could delete this rumors.

Last post is from 2 months ago !

I think that Oleg should spend some minutes to keep alive interesting for SOW.

Thanks for answering.

Considering the tension and how frequently people come here and check for news and post demands for news, because there are none, I think the interest for SoW couldn't be much higher ATM.

And again, Ivan posted that, because he is not bound that strictly to some rules, other people are, who probably signed a contract personally.

[Golf Pro]

But in all fairness, it only takes like 2+ minutes for someone to say "we're progressing well, here's a screenshot".

We should of course give 1C plenty of leeway, but a change between being very communicative and being totally non-communicative is bound to raise suspicion.

I think just the occasional communication is plenty enough for most of us. Why is this so difficult?

[Chivas]

Maddox has given the many updates, screenshots, and stated all is full speed ahead at this point. With the latest news that there will be another update in a week or so. Not sure what else they can do or how people can expect more. I know I've checked the various forums twice a day for info on SOW since 2004. There is more info on SOW than any other WW2 prop combat sim in development bar none. Atleast the wait can now be measured in months rather than in years.