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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 01-28-2011, 09:32 PM
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Any of you read the "future of sims" interview"?

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20mm: What do you think today's simulation fans want (besides everything). Is it mostly gameplay, eye-candy, a dynamic campaign, a solid multiplayer, better-and-better AI, or some new element?

Oleg: I would say everything anyway! And when we give more and more, making 3D more and more close to a realistic image they never stop their complaints. Comments like, “This screw is not on the right place or this curl of the cloud doesn’t look good”. At the same time a few users would like too much realistic control of aircraft using all the devices like in real life. These are in minority. So there always should be the right calculated balance between realism and usability for a casual player, or we will be not able to sell the new product well and cover our expenses
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Stop bitching.
There will be crapload of patches over time.

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Old 01-28-2011, 11:18 PM
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Oh mr. smarty pants, well that´s the end of CoD then, Oleg should help the poor in this world, what a genius you are!
Your upset and a little emotional because of the observation I made regarding your previous statement....hence you've resorted to sarcastic comments and childish exaggerations....that’s human nature we don't like to be made aware of our mistakes; it makes us feel uncomfortable.

however my last post was not made with the aim of making you feel that way...just to make you think....you see I find it rather obscene that you would consider something so trivial so important...you’re a very lucky man (maybe) if you consider the modelling of a computer generated spitfire as a serious issues....it would indicate you've lead a relatively comfortable life so far.

3 billion people on this planet don't have the luxury of pontifcating the finer points of spitfire versions....they're more concerned with the basics like clean water or their next meal....please keep a sense of perspective regarding this game.

Oh one last point... no I’m not a genius, thx for the complement tho

edit:@ BOBC having read your last forum post, I see your original comment was meant with the best of intentions rather than a nitpicking episode. I appologise if my response seemed curt or rude....I hope Oleg gets an opportunity to read your post and take on board the points you've made.

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Old 01-29-2011, 12:40 AM
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[QUOTE=leggit;218261....they're more concerned with the basics like clean water or their next meal...e.[/QUOTE]

Yep - and we won't be able to change this within the 100yrs, no matter what amount of money we send there.
The problem is bit more complex.
In fact I think i have a model to solve the problem - but unfortunately it can't be realized for ethical and political reasons - and therefore I just don't give a crap about it.
Sorry.
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Old 01-29-2011, 12:46 AM
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Yep - and we won't be able to change this within the 100yrs, no matter what amount of money we send there.
The problem is bit more complex.
In fact I think i have a model to solve the problem - but unfortunately it can't be realized for ethical and political reasons - and therefore I just don't give a crap about it.
Sorry.
well how unlucky for the world then that your wisdom be withheld.....no need to be sorry if you don't give a crap tho...or is there??

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Old 01-29-2011, 01:19 AM
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Winny..have you a link or book ref to that photo, I shall take a look at what you are looking at. Note that X serialled spits were ordered 9 june 40, see http://www.spitfires.ukf.net/_prodn%20summary.txt others well before that time. The BOB started in July40. X4675 for example first flew on the last day of the Battle 31Oct1940. the K aircraft you mention was a trials aircraft AAEE and the site mentioned above has it as failed to return 17 aug 40.
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It's on page 52 of Spitfire The History- Morgan/Shacklady. It's got camera controls in it also. I haven't found a picture of it online anywhere. It's a real mix of bits.
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Old 01-29-2011, 02:34 PM
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Winny…thanks…I’ll take a look. Cheers. it was a testbed though.

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Old 01-29-2011, 10:07 PM
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BOBC; I hope you only read the constructive feedbacks in this thread and ignore the complete idiots. Oleg wants everything to be perfect and you want to help him. What can be more genuine than that?
Thanks..I take on board comments from those that appear to have a level head.

Some can see this is simple factual info and backed up with a long list in what is a small cockpit space so making a notable change. Others are by the nature of their replies arcaders and not caring so much for Olegs aims, and some have a foot in both camps, thats human nature and all are allowed their take on what they want from it, though for arcaders to see it released to their standard at the expense of others missing out on what they had hoped for is an area of debate no doubt. The arcaders are no doubt frustrated that they havent had a chance to play by now, but for those awaiting what promises to be above that level, an accurate representation of the Battle of Britain, they are prepared to wait for such. To that end I personally would like to see a Mk1 cockpit and from feedback others would also. Oleg must decide though at what point he stops. It would appear he has surpassed the arcader level and is holding out to achieve far higher goals. I would dare to say the degree of accuracy and time spent on a subject should be proportional to the importance and standing of that subject with perhaps a baseline of criteria to ensure all modelled items are to a certain level of accuracy and artmanship. (have I just invented a new word ) so the spitfire would require more attention and need to represent a Mk1.


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Old 01-29-2011, 10:39 PM
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BOBC,

I'd like to add my support to your argument. Your request is perfectly reasonable given what the sim is trying to achieve. I've spent much time flying later model Spits in IL2 and was looking forward to seeing and feeling the difference of the early marks. A generic Spit cockpit will simply fail to impress many of us, especially since the early manual is included in the collectors edition.

I do have faith that Oleg will deliver at some point though.
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:56 PM
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I too would prefer the historically correct pits, as far as they exist as such. But I don't see how this makes the difference between "arcade" and "realistic". Same for the people who can live with such inaccuracies.

We've had some people pointing out inaccuracies in the past, and many of them have already been fixed. With 2 months before release this one certainly won't though.
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:23 PM
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-The best way to contact Oleg is when he is certain to be home...say at 2 o'clock in the morning.
-A personal visit will make a much better impression.
-Make sure you explain very carefully that his Spitfire model is wrong, wrong, wrong, and that you certainly have a great understanding of his misgivings.
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