LW VS VVS PLANES at 4.10

[Ernst]

Originally Posted by Sven

you mean the flying evelop of the P51? The site where you got it from does not allow that to be displayed other then their own site.

Then got another from other site. This outrageous since the picture is not from them but from a magazine. There is many styles of that picture. They copied the picture from another site or magazine too.

And the admin gave the wrong site, since the picture was not from this f-16.net!

[JAMF]

Originally Posted by Ernst

This ultrageous since the picture is not from them but from a magazine.

It's most likely not a copyright issue, but using their server bandwidth.

It's like your neighbour using your WiFi to connect to the internet. If you don't know him, you will object to him using it without asking (or without paying his part).

[LoBiSoMeM]

The beautiful curve posted in Ernst chart is great to show how predictable a P-51 can be in some speed and G-load.

I like to notice that "accelerated stalls" occurs even in a Zero fighter.

But I can't stress more the point that in "old" P-51 we don't have just accelerated stall, we have the "unpredictable" stall and "crazy spin". Today we can still easily enter in a accelerated stall with the light inputs of P-51, or die entering in a flat spin.

And the plane is more stable in normal flight now. All other things remains the same.

[Richie]

Originally Posted by =SLO=Hellcat

Thank you for your constructive and detailed response, Richie.
Man with your level of intellect would surely know that my answer was meant to be dumb and provocative.

Well here in my town I thought my name was Stupid until I was 35.

[Mustang]

I must be honest :

BF 109 – maybe OK

FW190 – ???


FW 190´s taxing power ???
something go very badly
I must use prop pitch.... Auto OFF…. every time



I love the P-40's

But…. porcelain engine ???

[TheDawg]

Originally Posted by AETORAS

OK i am in game from 2001 first title of IL2 STURMOVIK. I but now i am very disappointed i fly ONLY LW planes why i like them and now i see them very unmatched you fix FM of p 51( yes can fly like a spit ) nice. you fix a lot of other things but why you destroy German planes? so i think you have destroy bf -109 all of them and FW 190 DORA so i like all people say opinions for 4.10 and the planes FM i start first


LW pilot 4.10 EPIC FAIL

I admit, I have not read even the 2nd post in this thread.
I'll also admit I didn't like it when the neutered the climb rate of the hurri-C, and fixed the hithole between the tail booms on the P-38.
Whilst coffee brews, I'll read the rest, and while my local weathertard couldn't predict the weather this weekend, I will predict the outcome of this particular topic with frightening accuracy.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

The beautiful curve posted in Ernst chart is great to show how predictable a P-51 can be in some speed and G-load.

I like to notice that "accelerated stalls" occurs even in a Zero fighter.
.

You’re right. Accelerated stalls can be achieved with any plane. I practiced them in a 100 hp trainer... The flying envelope of the P51 has nothing unusual. All planes have similar patterns, with different speed listed, as all aircraft obeys the same rules and fly through the same air.
Spin characteristic vary from type to type, of course, and can be more or less benign, more or less dangerous, but this has not much to do with wing loading.

[TheDawg]

I made it half way down page 5 before I landed at the enemy base, and told them everything I know.
This could be taken right out of a UBI post in 2004

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Mustang

I must be honest :

BF 109 – maybe OK

FW190 – ???


FW 190´s taxing power ???
something go very badly
I must use prop pitch.... Auto OFF…. every time



I love the P-40's

But…. porcelain engine ???

In-line engines are always made of porcelain...didn't you know?

[ElAurens]

As you can probably tell by my sig pic, I am a huge fan of the Curtiss Hawk series of fighters.

The Hawk 81 through 87 series (P40 to P 40N) were robust aircraft which made them very well suited to the fighter/bomber role that they eventually fell into. The Allison V-1710 12 cylinder engine was probably the toughest inline engine of the war. So much so that even today, the unlimited class air racers that run Merlin engines almost all use the connecting rods from the Allison V-1710 because they are so much stronger than the Rolls-Royce rods are.

Do we see this reflected in the sim?

Hardly.

One rifle caliber hit ahead of the leading edge of the wings and the engine is either stopped instantly, or barely able to make power above idle speed.

And the airframe itself leaves something to be desired. The wings are pretty strong, but fuselage hits always cut multiple control cables (true for many types in game and no doubt reflects the 9 year old+ game engine).

Sorry, I can't stop myself when it comes to my favorite aircraft of all time.