Been a while....

[nearmiss]

I signed up for mindreading 101 and they gave me this t-shirt on the first day and told me the first lessons would be about "Know Thyself".

http://www.greekshops.com/images/Tshirts-New/262.jpg

I dropped the course, no way I could go there!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTens4i32b0

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by WskyStr8

Quote Bearcat

'D@mn.. I come in here and ask a simple question and get this BS?

Get over yourselves.

It was a legitimate question.. '

No Bearcat it wasn't a legititmate question. It was a fishing trip that would get the poster banned by you if it was posted at Ubi. Don't 'whiteant' this forum as you did over there.

I'm on a two week ban from there right now for my more than vocal oposition to the mods. Seems all of the moderators over there are now Mod USERS...and the 1st time you speak out about it...ya geta pm or a ban.
here's the message i got with my 2 week ban.

You just won't learn will you. 2 weeks. Your next ban will be permanent. And don't bother contacting anyone else. I have already covered those bases.

I have no idea who these jerks are over there anymore. none of the old hands are still around. In March it was a ban to even talk about the aaa mods/cheats over there. Ny November, not only can you talk about them, they're incouraged and supoported by the mod staff. WTF happned in just a few short months?

[fireflyerz]

The tables have finally turned....

Does that not tell you that UBi have no involvement with Oleg anymore.

[Bearcat]

Copperhead first off I was not the mod who banned you. I know who it was and I know why he did it, I would have handled it differently, but I understand why he did it.

Mods.....

The policy at UBI changed on the subject for various reasons, like it has at SHQ & M4T as well.. Mods are still not allowed to be linked there, but open discussion is allowed simply because to not do so in light of:

A)The mods are not going anywhere. From day one when the sound mod was made public and even at the height of the schism between the two camps on the issue it was obvious that the world as we knew it had ended. From the very beginning I tried to point that out in order to deal with it in a manner other than sticking our heads in the sand and acting like it didn't happen but I was lambasted and slammed from all quarters for weeks. Well guess what. Like it or not the mods are still here and like I said from day one they didn't go away.

B)The widespread cheating that we all feared would follow these mods based on most of our previous experience with mods never happened. Partly due to the complication of the code itself not everyone can grad the SFS extractor and begin building their fantasy Raptor. That's a good thing.

C)Some of those mods are actually pretty well done... like the one that lets you put bi directional controls (as in up-down, open close, in-out etc..) on various controls that were formally unidirectional or a toggle like the radiator, the minimap zoom, the tailhook or landing gear. Or the one that lets you fine tune your views so you can have externals.. but only if you are dead or on the ground, some of the FANTASTIC new maps and many others.. that have absolutely nothing to do with any aspect of FM or DM and everything to do with making the best WWII combat flight sim ever created to date even better.. which I thought was not possible. We at UBI just decided that we would no longer criminalize half the community. MODDING does not equal CHEATING. Cheating is cheating.. and cheaters will cheat, granted they will use mods to do so if they are available, but they like the mods will be here regardless.. to continue the former policy on the subject was just stupid.


You got banned as much because of what you said as how you said it. You can't pop into a well established, often monitored and pruned for just such comments thread calling people cheaters and restarting old debates that had been dead for months and not expect to have problems from the moderating staff that you are creating more work for. The same attitude that has always gotten you banned has risen it's head again, with the same result. The issues you had addressed had been dealt with and the bottom line is the same as it has always been Lee... If you don't like them then don't use them, but they are there, they are NOT going away until the sim does, and personally I think that partly because of these mods the sim will be around a long long time... longer than it would have been anyway simply because it was just such a great product. You cannot come into the forums beating your chest and name calling and not expect to be dealt with so cut the poor victim nonsense and suck it up. You are not nhew to this. How many times are you going to cannonball into the pool before you get it through your head that the lifegaurds don't appreciate it and will yank you from the pool when you do it? You are not a stupid man.

Lastly ... your signature basically insinuates that anyone who uses mods is dishonest and a cheat. I don't know who you associate with, but the mod users that I know are all decent guys whom I have a great deal of respect for and most of whom have contributed much more to this community over the past 6+years than just lip service and they certainly dont deserve the insinuated slander that your "flying dirty" sig implies.

You do what you want to do... but if you come back to UBI and start the same stuff the same way the same result will happen. Also... all the moderators are not using mods... only some of us, myself included. However those who have for whatever reason chosen to NOT take that step have at least gotten to the point where they can see the good in some of these mods, and have managed to seperate their yuse from the character of the users. I suggest you do the same.

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Copperhead first off I was not the mod who banned you. I know who it was and I know why he did it, I would have handled it differently, but I understand why he did it.

Mods.....

The policy at UBI changed on the subject for various reasons, like it has at SHQ & M4T as well.. Mods are still not allowed to be linked there, but open discussion is allowed simply because to not do so in light of:

A)The mods are not going anywhere. From day one when the sound mod was made public and even at the height of the schism between the two camps on the issue it was obvious that the world as we knew it had ended. From the very beginning I tried to point that out in order to deal with it in a manner other than sticking our heads in the sand and acting like it didn't happen but I was lambasted and slammed from all quarters for weeks. Well guess what. Like it or not the mods are still here and like I said from day one they didn't go away.

B)The widespread cheating that we all feared would follow these mods based on most of our previous experience with mods never happened. Partly due to the complication of the code itself not everyone can grad the SFS extractor and begin building their fantasy Raptor. That's a good thing.

C)Some of those mods are actually pretty well done... like the one that lets you put bi directional controls (as in up-down, open close, in-out etc..) on various controls that were formally unidirectional or a toggle like the radiator, the minimap zoom, the tailhook or landing gear. Or the one that lets you fine tune your views so you can have externals.. but only if you are dead or on the ground, some of the FANTASTIC new maps and many others.. that have absolutely nothing to do with any aspect of FM or DM and everything to do with making the best WWII combat flight sim ever created to date even better.. which I thought was not possible. We at UBI just decided that we would no longer criminalize half the community. MODDING does not equal CHEATING. Cheating is cheating.. and cheaters will cheat, granted they will use mods to do so if they are available, but they like the mods will be here regardless.. to continue the former policy on the subject was just stupid.


You got banned as much because of what you said as how you said it. You can't pop into a well established, often monitored and pruned for just such comments thread calling people cheaters and restarting old debates that had been dead for months and not expect to have problems from the moderating staff that you are creating more work for. The same attitude that has always gotten you banned has risen it's head again, with the same result. The issues you had addressed had been dealt with and the bottom line is the same as it has always been Lee... If you don't like them then don't use them, but they are there, they are NOT going away until the sim does, and personally I think that partly because of these mods the sim will be around a long long time... longer than it would have been anyway simply because it was just such a great product. You cannot come into the forums beating your chest and name calling and not expect to be dealt with so cut the poor victim nonsense and suck it up. You are not nhew to this. How many times are you going to cannonball into the pool before you get it through your head that the lifegaurds don't appreciate it and will yank you from the pool when you do it? You are not a stupid man.

Lastly ... your signature basically insinuates that anyone who uses mods is dishonest and a cheat. I don't know who you associate with, but the mod users that I know are all decent guys whom I have a great deal of respect for and most of whom have contributed much more to this community over the past 6+years than just lip service and they certainly dont deserve the insinuated slander that your "flying dirty" sig implies.

You do what you want to do... but if you come back to UBI and start the same stuff the same way the same result will happen. Also... all the moderators are not using mods... only some of us, myself included. However those who have for whatever reason chosen to NOT take that step have at least gotten to the point where they can see the good in some of these mods, and have managed to seperate their yuse from the character of the users. I suggest you do the same.

You will take into consideration that while all of this heated debate was going on....i wasn't around. At the time when i went offline in march...they were a no no. In November when i'm able to get back online....they're the cats meaow. which at 1st left me shaking my head going" WTF?"

as for the rest read the other thread here.

[JG27CaptStubing]

Actually talking with some of the folks that are in the community there has been no contact from either the developer or the publisher.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Copper, you were offered the chance to start your own thread at ubi and discuss the mods as long as it was civil and as long as it wasn't in the thread that you tried to start it in. You didn't take that oppertunity, instead you decided to throw that oppertunity away in favor of continuing your uncivil activities in that thread where it did not belong. THAT is what got you banned (BTW, it was not me that time either), it was not your oppinion, it was not your veiwpoint that got you banned, it was your inability to follow the rules.

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

Copper, you were offered the chance to start your own thread at ubi and discuss the mods as long as it was civil and as long as it wasn't in the thread that you tried to start it in. You didn't take that oppertunity, instead you decided to throw that oppertunity away in favor of continuing your uncivil activities in that thread where it did not belong. THAT is what got you banned (BTW, it was not me that time either), it was not your oppinion, it was not your veiwpoint that got you banned, it was your inability to follow the rules.

No. when i did open my own thread....it was closed and deleted.
and what got me banned was the "langauge". According to the modderator that gave me the two week ban. Funny...it's the same langauge that i've used for 8 years on the boards there. Both in agitation and in humor. and i'm not alone in that as others have often done it as well. The point in fact that a few of them have chosen to single me out speaks volumes. Weather or not that is actually the case....remains to be seen. But from where i'm sitting....if it quaks like a duck, walks like a duck, acts like a duck & looks like a duck....then by God its a M*t#3r F*7^#ng Duck.

QUAK QUAK!

[nearmiss]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyl8YjE29iw