Mitsubishi Stuka and Thunderbolt

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Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

If the best simulation IL2 can do right now with the P47 is to have it's tail fall off with X number of 20mm hits, then that is okay, it is just funny how you can set yourself up in the qmb behind a bunch of Friendly p47s and go down the row and get the same result on one after the other, almost like you are breaking the tails off of frozen lobsters.

Of course in real life the location and number of hits from an enemy aircraft would be so random it would take a supercomputer to model the different effects of each, I am sure no two kills in WWII looked exactly the same the way they can be reproduced in IL2.

Tail coming off is relict of the past when average player's PC were much weaker than what we have now and it is best viewed as crude visual representation of catastrophic damage. Paradoxically you will experience such damage most often on very tough planes, weaker ones will usually suffer some other types of damage sooner.

Originally Posted by horseback

Sorry, but you'll never convince me that an ai plane has exactly the same damage model as one piloted by the Player, or that a human gunner can be as accurate as an ai one.

It does but I can do the same in coop mode with human controlled plane. Fact is that even 1000+ hits in the engine area is not a guarantee that you will destroy P-47 engine. In addition I can check exact damage of each bullet and if I really want to be anal about this I can generate hits at any part of the plane with whatever parameters I want.

You are very wrong about human gunners too, they are way better than AI, obviously you don't fly online much.

Fly formation 200m behind an He 111 or Betty (both of whose gunners are traditionally more accurate than those noobs in the Ju-88A) in that same P-47 and I bet your engine loss ratio goes up significantly, along your PKs, loss of gunsight, ailerons, fuel leaks(and how could any rounds possibly get past the engine and firewall to reach the fuel tanks?), rudder and Prop Pitch. Of course, that's just my feeling, but it's based on several hours of experience.

Is it surprising that cannon will do more damage than MG bullets?

AI vs AI contests may ultimately obtain 'realistic' results, but in those cases, the AI fighter knows that he's been fired at and exactly where it will hit if his vector remains constant at the moment it is fired and he makes the slight move that either results in a clean miss or a meaningless hit, but the ai gunner routine knows that he knows and quickly fires a burst at the corrected vector, but the fighter ai routine knows that he will, so they decide not to do that and move on to the next move/countermove several thousand times per second.

You are over-thinking it a bit and you are very wrong, not 100% wrong but close.