Another pointless poll...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Of course you forgot to mention that they asked you to buy it while saying that it might not go ahead and if it didnt you would not get your money back nice of you to forget that...!

That is the typical legal mumbo jumbo you will find with alot of preorder dev stuff.. In that they say that about most if not all the planes and other stuff you pre-order.. So no need to get your panties in a twist thinking they are trying to pull one over on you.. Beucase the FACT remains that NO ONE is holding a gun to your head when you ordered it.. As allways, if you don't read the fine print it is your fault not thiers.

On the upside, glad to see you took me off ignore, assuming you ever had me on ignore!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Wut ? ... so someone is selling his copy for 250$, amazing ...

Not that amazing, in that is probably the version that comes with all the add ones included.. I forget the name of it?

But if you look closer you will see that 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game, i.e.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Fi..._ob_vg_title_1

You know.. that thing you said they DID NOT PROVIDE

And also 777 provides the choice of buy a download WWI game, i.e.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Cr..._ob_vg_title_0

Which all goes back to that 777 providing 'choices' things I was telling you about

Originally Posted by Buchon

That´s just what is wrong with 777,

That is your opinion, and is the reason why 777 can not and does not force anyone to buy it

Originally Posted by Buchon

they are the only and the one DLC maker, it´ll be better if they let do this to others and put their effort in bring that RoF engine to 2012.

First you said you didn't like DLC like MSFS because of the negative consequences in the quality which most of which was 3rd party DLC.. Now your saying you want RoF to allow 3rd party DLC which if anything like MSFS 3rd party DLC it will result in a negative consequences in the quality.. So which is it?

Originally Posted by Buchon

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

Ah so you knew about it? So why did you say RoF is not a success and/or stuck when RoF is doing the same thing the original IL-2 did.. i.e. Producing new maps and new planes and than charging the user for new maps and new planes. In that the only difference in the two is RoF allows you to pick and choose each item, where as IL-2 took all the items and bundled them up which in turn did NOT allow you to pick and choose.

Originally Posted by Buchon

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.

Well maybe you should contact 777 and let them know you have a better way of doing things.. Maybe they would be willig to pay your for your software and marketing experiences? In that it sounds like you have run a few game companies in the past.. Are you at liberty to tell us which game company it was you were the CEO of?

[Buchon]

Misunderstanding so much, its not ?

I think that I have explained good enough.

See you ～

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Originally Posted by Buchon

Misunderstanding so much, its not ?

I think that I have explained good enough.

See you ～

Misunderstanding?

No, not at all..

Just a difference in opinions! S!

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Misunderstanding?

No, not at all..

Just a difference in opinions! S!

Yeah ... whatever ...

I wonder if there one of those RoF boxes for 250$ in my market place

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by furbs

I was using ROF as a example because its the only CFS i know that uses that model.

and thats exactly the reason it is so pointless

suggesting anything should be copied from the RoF approach is like your saying that in order to cure the patient you want to invite the anti christ to spread pox and pestilence, and after years of suffering and devastating the population nationwide you then let him devour their soul and place it into the fires of hell for the rest of eternity

so no, not a good idea !

having a paid beta program like DCS on the other hand would be a valid option

[simast]

so no, not a good idea !

having a paid beta program like DCS on the other hand would be a valid option

DCS is adopting pretty much the same model as RoF. See their new DCS: World package. In the future all DCS content (third party or not) will be released as a DLC for a single product.

[simast]

Originally Posted by Buchon

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.

Where did you get that idea that RoF development is stuck?

The last RoF patch added working synchronizer/interrupter gear (machine guns fire based on engine RPM when synchronized to fire through the propeller), vastly improved gun handling in the game and added some graphical improvements (sharper textures and heat blur). They are releasing new planes in the process and constantly improving the engine. And since you mentioned the upcoming channel map - we are not just talking about new landscape here (your point of new content), but some significant engine improvements. Like for example - working 3D water with wave physics and such.

I am not going to argue about CloD "expansion" model tho. It's DUD concept and a suicide for such a small niche market. Every new sim is moving away from this model for a reason.

[Seeker]

Furbs, you missed the salient point:

Would I pay £100 for a WWII Sim that lived up to Clod's declared design goals? Hell yes!

Would I give this company any more money for any thing at all? Hell No!

[JG52Krupi]

@simast

Yes the current il2 model is suicide... I mean its totally untested and is following on from 1946 which was successful!!! Looks like someone is in denial...