I Refuse To Fly WW2 CoD German Aircraft. Why?

[JG52Krupi]

I get the feeling that this thread is going to show the REAL trolls of the community not the ones that are fed up of a buggy game but the ones that think if you fly blue it means you support there ideology.

Before you say anything about me I am British, was born in Germany and I can't stand patriots.

I have long forgotten why I started flying blue but my first few years playing il2 were spent flying for the reds. I now fly blue mainly due to my love of the engineering behind the 109 and 190 plus they just look so mean

Truth be told at the release of cod I almost quit JG52 to look for an RAF side and I have participated occasionally with 56raf squad sorties on ATAG

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Before you says anything about me I am British, was born in Germany and I can't stand patriots.

Well said Krupi. It's hilarious how people see things because of a computer game with aircraft.

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Before you say anything about me I am British, was born in Germany and I can't stand patriots.

Because of this I usually fly blue BUT don't ask me to fly italian planes...

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I have long forgotten why I started flying blue but my first few years playing il2 were spent flying for the reds.

For me it's simple: I always liked the Tie-Fighters more than the X-Wings... it a "Dark Side" matter.

I love games like Dungeon Keeper and Evil Genius...



Not that in WW2 there were a striking difference between Good and Bad, IMO.

[Hood]

Originally Posted by carguy_

Yes, +1 betrayal is the right word here.

And there's me thinking the Poles fought to kill Germans when all along it was to preserve the British Empire.

Put yourself in the position of Britain in 1945. Stretched, tired, broke and with an empire in tatters. Then look at what they'd have to face to contest Poland by force.

Betrayal, no. Invasion by an unstoppable force, certainly. There's a whole world of difference between turning your back or just accepting what has happened because the costs of doing something are too high.

I reckon the Soviets could have driven their tanks up Pall Mall quite quickly if they'd wanted to.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Hood

And there's me thinking the Poles fought to kill Germans when all along it was to preserve the British Empire.

The Poles thought all along that even after betraying Poland in 1939, the British would walk them to Berlin and further, ensuring the liberty of the Polish people. Battle of Britain was just the first step.

Put yourself in the position of Britain in 1945. Stretched, tired, broke and with an empire in tatters. Then look at what they'd have to face to contest Poland by force.

Yet the Britain was able to face the USSR when it was about sharing the III Reich.

Betrayal, no. Invasion by an unstoppable force, certainly. There's a whole world of difference between turning your back or just accepting what has happened because the costs of doing something are too high.

Britain should have never ratify any international agreements if they were to ignore them from the start.

I reckon the Soviets could have driven their tanks up Pall Mall quite quickly if they'd wanted to.

I reckon the Allied forces still had a few milion German soldiers ready to fight the commies by the end of the war.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by Hood

And there's me thinking the Poles fought to kill Germans when all along it was to preserve the British Empire.

Put yourself in the position of Britain in 1945. Stretched, tired, broke and with an empire in tatters. Then look at what they'd have to face to contest Poland by force.

Betrayal, no. Invasion by an unstoppable force, certainly. There's a whole world of difference between turning your back or just accepting what has happened because the costs of doing something are too high.

I reckon the Soviets could have driven their tanks up Pall Mall quite quickly if they'd wanted to.

+1

My folks (both departed) were married in '42, had two weeks together, then Dad was off to war flying out of England (RAAF) '42 - '45. They next saw each other when Dad was demobbed Fall '45 and he returned to Canada. They both told me that all everyone wanted by that time was for the war to be over. By any means possible. Put Hitler and Tojo out of business and get the troops home ASAP. Period.

Both politicians and (most) military commanders of the day recognized there was no stomach for military adventurism, opportunism, or even consolidation of "liberated" (ie Poland, Balkans, etc) countries. The Allied population -- the voting population -- didn't care about who got what at war's end. They just wanted to have Johnny come walking home again. And any politician that wanted to keep his elected office was fully aware of that. And so was Stalin.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Have you lost your mind?

England (including all other countries, Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland, as was appropriate at this time to refer to them simply as England) and France declared war on Germany.

Dispite numerous peace offers of Germany (or the 3rd Reich if you prefer), we the English (British) declined, even when Hitler offered to step down... These peace offering and nogotiations even encluded Rudolf Hess (2nd deputy of Germany) flying to Scotland to reason with the Duke of Hamilton.... In short NSDAP Germany went to great lengths not to war with England. Through the situation England which found the situation of events distasteful - waged war on Germany upon the will of only one man - Winston Spencer Churchill - Lord of the Admiralty.

"Victory, Victory at all costs!" A victory that cost the English (yes Im English but I was not there) an Empire! An Empire that was put up as collatoral for the massive and extorsionate loans from the USA and other countries. An Empire which granted some states independance in exchange for service to the British Realm in exchange if they fought for Britian! - Indian Regiments for example! An Empire WS Churchill was trying to save!

Winston Spencer Churchill, syphilis sufferer, was a Veteran of the colonial wars (he had to do the exam 3 times at sandhurst to become an officer because he failed it twice!) in India and Africa. He was fighting for Englands (Britians) sake, for an Empire he "cashed in" to fight the Germans! Only Great Britain was to rule the world - having the largest empire in the world EVER! It was Mutually Assured Destruction before the cold war!

What ever you believe (and I am not pro NSDAP or anything else but a human being!) you must consder the historical importance from before and after this time!


I'd also like to point out Germany finally repaid its War reperations a few years ago:

Wikipedia (unreliable)



Wheras England and the USA never paid any reperations for the crimes against humanity for Dresden, Hamburg, Nagasaki or Hiroshima! The VICTORS write the rules...

In short patriotism is for C****!

Truly one of the most bizarre postings ever made on a flight sim forum.

Farber, where on earth do you get your information?
Churchill suffered from Syphilis!? Hitler offered to step down?? Roflmao!!
The war was Churchills decision alone!!? The clip you posted gives you the lie to that statement anyway. When Chamberlain stepped down as PM in May 1940 there were two choices to succeed him. Churchill or Halifax. Whoever was PM had to command the support of the Labour party to form a national government. The Labour party did not trust Halifax. They turned to Churchill because the mood of the country was defiance.

Everyone realised that to make terms with Hitler meant the end of our freedom and the end of any hopes of freedom for the rest of Europe.

You don't, by any chance get your information from some sort of....er....right wing political websites do you? Just askin'.

[raaaid]

you take this game so seriously you cant fly german

man i take it so real life like i dont even shoot, just fly fopr the fun

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by raaaid

you take this game so seriously you cant fly german

man i take it so real life like i dont even shoot, just fly fopr the fun

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[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Truly one of the most bizarre postings ever made on a flight sim forum.

Farber, where on earth do you get your information?
Churchill suffered from Syphilis!? Hitler offered to step down?? Roflmao!!
The war was Churchills decision alone!!? The clip you posted gives you the lie to that statement anyway. When Chamberlain stepped down as PM in May 1940 there were two choices to succeed him. Churchill or Halifax. Whoever was PM had to command the support of the Labour party to form a national government. The Labour party did not trust Halifax. They turned to Churchill because the mood of the country was defiance.

Sorry it was his father who had it. As for the mood of the people, please see Simon Schama's interpretation. Hes a historian, I am a layman.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Everyone realised that to make terms with Hitler meant the end of our freedom and the end of any hopes of freedom for the rest of Europe.

What freedom? Freedom to be ruled by one or another? You should seriously look up fleet law and common law and see how our freedoms are being used by corporations. We are all serfs under somebody.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

You don't, by any chance get your information from some sort of....er....right wing political websites do you? Just askin'.

No I do not. If you had read the above correctly you would not make assumptions as you are. I prefer to read as many sources as I can and draw my own conclusions as a Human Being.