More renders of SoW and Galba aircraft models.

Jesus guys, you really need to get out more, i haven't found any of the posts in here to be rude or insulting I've seen some frustration a little bit of disbelief and a lot of questioning but nothing that would not happen on a day to day basis in any commercial business. All of these so called insults have done nothing but good, even Luthier has understood that there has been a break down in communication which he hopes to rectify over the coming months, so a big round of applause to all those people who have got the bollocks to ask questions to query statements and not to blindly go along with everything said, we could always start a new forum for all those people who want to sit and nod heads, cheer and agree - we could get president Bush to be a moderator!

P.S. Thanks for the last post Luthier keeping good comms is a definite step forward.

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Jesus guys, you really need to get out more, i haven't found any of the posts in here to be rude or insulting I've seen some frustration a little bit of disbelief and a lot of questioning but nothing that would not happen on a day to day basis in any commercial business. All of these so called insults have done nothing but good, even Luthier has understood that there has been a break down in communication which he hopes to rectify over the coming months, so a big round of applause to all those people who have got the bollocks to ask questions to query statements and not to blindly go along with everything said, we could always start a new forum for all those people who want to sit and nod heads, cheer and agree - we could get president Bush to be a moderator!

P.S. Thanks for the last post Luthier keeping good comms is a definite step forward.

The comments about rudeness where mostly posted in response to "someone" calling Luthier a liar (a comment that Luthier took "great offense" from). You will not find the offending comment anymore because it was changed...

I'm not really sure what taking offense from these personal attacks has to do with "blindly going along with everything said"... but I'm sure it makes sense to you (somehow).

I ask questions all the time (and I have had some of them answered by Oleg), but I do it without calling people liars, or getting people worked up with wild conspiracy theory's...

And speaking of wild conspiracy theory's, Luthier has stated that the "negativity, accusations and criticism" that you are so fond of is one of the reasons why we DON'T see "alpha game" screen shots...and its because Oleg and crew know that 2 seconds after the "alpha shots" are posted that people will be flooding the forum with negative comments about all the unfinished details.

If you think that the "so called insults" have done nothing but good then I really hope the moderators start taking a more active role in the forums because your attitude will be opening a floodgate of unruly behavior...


p.s. Oleg thanks for dropping in and answering that question, its nice to hear from you again (so soon)...

Originally Posted by proton45

The comments about rudeness where mostly posted in response to "someone" calling Luthier a liar (a comment that Luthier took "great offense" from). You will not find the offending comment anymore because it was changed...

I'm not really sure what taking offense from these personal attacks has to do with "blindly going along with everything said"... but I'm sure it makes sense to you (somehow).

I ask questions all the time (and I have had many of them answered by Oleg), but I do it without calling people liars, or getting people worked up with wild conspiracy theory's...

If you think that the "so called insults" have done nothing but good then I really hope the moderators start taking a more active role in the forums because your attitude will be opening a floodgate of unruly behavior...


p.s. Oleg thanks for dropping in, its nice to hear from you again (so soon)...

Proton, you have consistently called anyone that has asked for more updates or questioned the current status of SOW a whiner, how is that being constructive? You obviously have little or 'no' understanding of the word 'debate'. According to yourself and others its ok to ask questions as long has we dont mention anything to do with completion or release dates. I really dont think either Ilya or Oleg are that 'thin skinned'. You should give them far more credit, and stop trying to protect them, i am most certain they are more than capable of doing that for themselves.

[Feuerfalke]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Proton, you have consistently called anyone that has asked for more updates or questioned the current status of SOW a whiner, how is that being constructive? You obviously have little or 'no' understanding of the word 'debate'. According to yourself and others its ok to ask questions as long has we dont mention anything to do with completion or release dates. I really dont think either Ilya or Oleg are that 'thin skinned'. You should give them far more credit, and stop trying to protect them, i am most certain they are more than capable of doing that for themselves.

Welcome to the club of bada$$es who really think that this whining leads to nothing, Proton45.

Tree_UK, the persons who really just asked about the status or updates are rare and why do you think they have an even thinner skin than Proton45 and myself that they can't take the truth and the hint that there is a) a search function that would reveal about 30-40 likewise threads and b) a number of stickies and other threads explaining the current problems?

Infact, why would you call it a debate anyway, if they were merely asking for updates?

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Proton, you have consistently called anyone that has asked for more updates or questioned the current status of SOW a whiner, how is that being constructive? You obviously have little or 'no' understanding of the word 'debate'. According to yourself and others its ok to ask questions as long has we dont mention anything to do with completion or release dates. I really dont think either Ilya or Oleg are that 'thin skinned'. You should give them far more credit, and stop trying to protect them, i am most certain they are more than capable of doing that for themselves.

Anything I said about Ilya or Oleg came from a post that was made under "Luthier". I'm not speculating about anyones "feelings"...I'm just listening to what people are saying.

From Luthier post:

1. I got absolutely no reason to lie to anyone. If I don't want you to know something, I simply won't talk about it, but I take huge offense to people calling me a liar. Everything I said is 100% accurate.

and

3. Look for all the negativity, accusations and criticism in this thread. Peope are not looking at what's there. They're looking for something that's not shown, and are coming up with wild conspiracy theories. Which is exactly the reason you're not seeing alpha shots. Alpha, by definition, means that things are incompete. And it's very clear to us that, if people are shown something that's incomplete, that's where all the attention will focus. This is why we're waiting until everything is picture perfect, because otherwise it'll be "oh no we waited a year and what do we get, manifold pressure in that video goes down .2 seconds too soon after carburetor impact ice forms, how dare you sirs!"

If you think he is being "thinned skinned" then maybe you a should bring it up with him or Oleg...

I think enough has been said now, and I'm on to other things.


I hope your ok with things and hold no ill-will (I don't)...anyone I may have called a whiner (more or less) asked for it by posting their comments in a provocative manor, and you know it. I never called anyone a whiner who was sincere about their comments.

[Monterey]

Well, I was sincere about my comments, and we got some updates from Oleg and Ilya. That's all that was asked. I hope the line of communication will remain open.

Thank you Oleg and Ilya, for your patience and understanding.

+1

[Theshark888]

Can't wait for Cant's, Caproni's, Fiat's, Macchi's, Breda's etc. etc!!!!!

Keep up the good fight Oleg and Luthier...looking forward to more communication with the community

Originally Posted by proton45

I hope your ok with things and hold no ill-will (I don't)...anyone I may have called a whiner (more or less) asked for it by posting their comments in a provocative manor, and you know it. I never called anyone a whiner who was sincere about their comments.

Yeah im ok and there is no ill will here. S!

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by proton45

The comments about rudeness where mostly posted in response to "someone" calling Luthier a liar (a comment that Luthier took "great offense" from). You will not find the offending comment anymore because it was changed...

it doesnt need your petulant remarks to stir up the dust after the issue has already been settled by the relevant parties, and btw the post in question not say "liar, liar, pants on fire", neither was the word liar used.

what was said, is something like "i dont believe you" (that it was a coincidence we get some new screenshots within 24 hrs of the proverbial hitting the fan when we suddenly find out il2/bob has gone to consoles, while previously for 3 months there is no update in this forum but we have been told "something big is being worked on").

and yep with hindsight the overall tone in the initial msg was maybe stronger then needed (as somebody pointed out diplomatically at the time, after which it was edited), but it was written at the hight of the great "BoB console crisis" of 2008, when tempers were getting a little frayed. and all those events came and went, completely without your involvement or participation.

with people like you its as if we are in a monty python movie "the life of brian", and anytime something said by the messiah is questioned, the response from the brown tongues is as if somebody in the crowd yelled "jehova".