Cliffs of Dover, a Year Later

[Chivas]

UBISOFT has little input on COD, other than forcing the epilepsy filter, before they would publish the sim in the West. UBISOFT may have a had a good percentage of the investment in BOB SOW in the early years unitl 2006/7, but it now appears that the IC Company is the controlling investor and likely making all the financial decisions. UBISOFT can be let off the hook for forcing the early release of COD, but could still have some investment or contract, which might have forced the IC Company to keep them as the Western publisher, instead of just using Steam. With 8 million already invested I don't blame the IC Company investors for releasing what was completed to see if there was enough interest to continue spending monies on the sim. Why throw good money after bad. Don't confuss the IC Company with IC Maddox Games. IC Maddox Games is just a part of the huge IC Company.

[Richie]

Was there something mentioned about the name being switched back to Storm Of War some how for the addition or how did that go? Battle Of Moscow Storm Of War?

[tomandre81]

Next time 1C, do like these guys:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2

They have got $1,621,839 already. They needed "just" 900 000, but still more is coming in.
95 % of the money goes do the developers. And they listen to the gamers in a forum what they want for 6 months of pre-production

But maybe not the sim marked is as big as the old RPG marked?
This will be like fallout 2 was, only deeper gameplay. Hunger, thirst etc.

[addman]

Originally Posted by tomandre81

Next time 1C, do like these guys:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/inxile/wasteland-2

They have got $1,621,839 already. They needed "just" 900 000, but still more is coming in.
95 % of the money goes do the developers. And they listen to the gamers in a forum what they want for 6 months of pre-production

But maybe not the sim marked is as big as the old RPG marked?
This will be like fallout 2 was, only deeper gameplay. Hunger, thirst etc.

HA! That's nothing, look what Tim Schafer and his team managed to "scrape" together: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...nture?ref=live

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Chivas

UBISOFT has little input on COD, other than forcing the epilepsy filter, before they would publish the sim in the West. UBISOFT may have a had a good percentage of the investment in BOB SOW in the early years unitl 2006/7, but it now appears that the IC Company is the controlling investor and likely making all the financial decisions. UBISOFT can be let off the hook for forcing the early release of COD, but could still have some investment or contract, which might have forced the IC Company to keep them as the Western publisher, instead of just using Steam. With 8 million already invested I don't blame the IC Company investors for releasing what was completed to see if there was enough interest to continue spending monies on the sim. Why throw good money after bad. Don't confuss the IC Company with IC Maddox Games. IC Maddox Games is just a part of the huge IC Company.

Remember this Chivas...


Posted by TreeUK 28/8/11


For those that were/are still under the belief that CLOD was financed by Ubisoft then read this below, especially Chivas who as been on my case about this for a long time.


Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason

I'm sorry, but I need to say something because your comments are not correct.

1.) Luthier is a long-time friend of mine and you are smearing him with no proof or knowledge of what really happened that caused the less than stellar release of CLOD. Oleg didn't hand Luthier anything. Luthier was asked by 1C to try to finish the project after Oleg was, depending who you talk to, relieved of duty by 1C or he quit 1C. You make the call. Luthier is making the best of a bad situation and he is a good guy and from what I can tell a good manager. My point is you can't blame him for the release or bad decisions that were forced upon him by others. He was given 12 months to correct 6 years of bad decisions made by others. A good analogy is blaming me for every decision made regarding ROF before my company took over. Coming from someone who had to take over a not so great situation I know what he is going through.

2.) Again, you see to blame Ubi for all this. Why don't you ask 1C if $8 million and 7 years was enough time and money for a team to eventually be held accountable for there work and produce a product? Ubi is not quite the monster they are being portrayed as. Again, see my comments about Oleg's departure. Only Duke Nukem' can have a never ending dev cycle and hell even that got released eventually. Bringing Oleg back isn't going to solve anything. 1C loves when you blame Ubi. 1C was the day to day manager and owners of IL-2 franchise, not to the mention the primary funding source so why aren't they held accountable? Some of you hold Oleg and 1C up like some sort of gods and people who can do no wrong which is foolish.

I'm not going to say anymore, but what you've said about Luthier isn't fair to him. There is no need to be an Oleg or 1C apologist.

Jason

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by furbs

Remember this Chivas...


Posted by TreeUK 28/8/11


For those that were/are still under the belief that CLOD was financed by Ubisoft then read this below, especially Chivas who as been on my case about this for a long time.


Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason

I'm sorry, but I need to say something because your comments are not correct.

1.) Luthier is a long-time friend of mine and you are smearing him with no proof or knowledge of what really happened that caused the less than stellar release of CLOD. Oleg didn't hand Luthier anything. Luthier was asked by 1C to try to finish the project after Oleg was, depending who you talk to, relieved of duty by 1C or he quit 1C. You make the call. Luthier is making the best of a bad situation and he is a good guy and from what I can tell a good manager. My point is you can't blame him for the release or bad decisions that were forced upon him by others. He was given 12 months to correct 6 years of bad decisions made by others. A good analogy is blaming me for every decision made regarding ROF before my company took over. Coming from someone who had to take over a not so great situation I know what he is going through.

2.) Again, you see to blame Ubi for all this. Why don't you ask 1C if $8 million and 7 years was enough time and money for a team to eventually be held accountable for there work and produce a product? Ubi is not quite the monster they are being portrayed as. Again, see my comments about Oleg's departure. Only Duke Nukem' can have a never ending dev cycle and hell even that got released eventually. Bringing Oleg back isn't going to solve anything. 1C loves when you blame Ubi. 1C was the day to day manager and owners of IL-2 franchise, not to the mention the primary funding source so why aren't they held accountable? Some of you hold Oleg and 1C up like some sort of gods and people who can do no wrong which is foolish.

I'm not going to say anymore, but what you've said about Luthier isn't fair to him. There is no need to be an Oleg or 1C apologist.

Jason

There is nothing in that posts that suggest what I said in my post is wrong, infact portions help confirm what I'm saying.

"1C loves when you blame Ubi. 1C was the day to day manager and owners of IL-2 franchise, not to the mention the primary funding source so why aren't they held accountable?"

What exactly are you trying to say about my post Furbs?

[furbs]

Chivas, im channeling here


"My point is Chivas is that when Tree posted 2 years ago that Ubisoft were not financing the project you and others ridiculed him. Now your saying the exact opposite"

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by furbs

Chivas, im channeling here


"My point is Chivas is that when Tree posted 2 years ago that Ubisoft were not financing the project you and others ridiculed him. Now your saying the exact opposite"

I've contradicted Tree a number of times, and since you started bringing up old posts please post one and the link where I've ridiculed Tree on this subject so I can check the context of my post, and how it would apply here.

[Chivas]

If I remember correctly Tree said the UBISOFT is no longer the publisher of BOB/SOW/COD and I said there never has been a comfirmation of that. As it turns out UBISOFT has published every sim from the original IL-2 series to the start of the new series IL-2 COD.

What I'm saying now is I think UBISOFT stopped being an investor with some control over the development in 2006/2007 and the IC Company has since become the major investor and thus financial decision maker. We know that UBISOFT has long taken heat from the community and Luthier and Oleg have said they were quite happy with the support they were recieving from UBISOFT at that time, which would suggest that UBISOFT was providing financial support a few years ago. Propably one of the reasons the IC Company kept UBISOFT on as the western publisher.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Tree was quite emphatic that Ubi had nothing to do with BOB of course we were all using the working title of Storm of War at the time.

The debate got quite heated at times.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

According to Ubisoft in the UK, they are no longer involved with SOW.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Just spoke to Jame's O'Reilly again at Ubisoft, he still claims Ubi have nothing to do with SOW. So definitely not at E3.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Bobb, no one is suggesting that SOW is canceled, Ubi UK are saying that they have no involement with it anymore and haven't for some time. Anyhow i have had a phone call from Phil Brannelly at Ubisoft this morning, I have asked him many questions some of which he has answered, he said he will get back to me later today to give me a definitive list of events.

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Ok, just had another phone call from Phil Brannelly he has confirmed what most of us already knew, Ubisoft are no longer involved with SOW period, Phil said that he has asked questions has to who is the new publisher and he has been told that it is 505, who are also publishing BOP. He also asked me to please post this in appropriate forums so people do not pre-order products advertised has having a link to Ubi. He also said he will look into Ubisoft making an official statement dissociating themselves with Maddox games on this title. If you wish to speak to Phil direct you can on this number 01932578000 press 0 for reception and then ask for Phil Brannelly, he is a very helpful guy and will answer all your questions. He didn't have great things to say about Oleg but that's another story.

Need we go on? Now I don't want to turn this into a tree bashing session. We all have our idiosyncrasies, but Tree_UK is a free spirit, and extremely possionate about his flight simming.