Breda SAFAT 12,7mm guns - A real life account of their real power

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by VMF-214_HaVoK

I still feel the Italian .50 cal is the most undermodeled round in the game. If anything it should at the least be as effective as the US or Russian equivalent.

S!

With respect no it shouldnt. The Russian Berrzin 12.7mm was perhaps the best 12.7mm Gun made and deployed in WWII. Have a look at the chart in my previous post and compare the Gun power column. 12.7UB gun power of 78, M2... 58 whilst the SAFAT comes in at 36. (though the 12.7Ub value is for a sync installtion)

This is a relative index comparing the total gun system ammo the lot. Sure an invidual round might have some cosmic HE compound in it but that needs to be seen in terms of rate of fire,Impact velocity etc. The Gun power index does that. Again if you research the book and or website you will see the data indicates the Breda SAFAT 12.7mm to be a realtively underpowered gun/ammo combination.

What we see in IL2 (imo) is at least in relative terms borne out by the available data.

[uf_josse]

Originally Posted by IvanK

What we see in IL2 (imo) is at least in relative terms borne out by the available data.

No, far of that..... clearly underpowered... (i have in game datas....)

[IvanK]

So exactly what in game data do you have ?

How about showing it here to support your argument

Say for the M2, 12.7UB and the breda SAFAT. Then we have something we can get our teeth into and compare to authoritative sources.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by uf_josse

No, far of that..... clearly underpowered... (i have in game datas....)

I would like very much to see some of your findings, and comparative's to rl data

[uf_josse]

Beliveve me or not, but i think not the right place to expose code of the game....

But, belting is AP /HET (with explosion radius of 4 cm, instead 15 for the US m.2 with similar power) and APT

No API, no APIT.... era pictures show clearly API and APIT in belt with a more probable belting with API/APIT/HET.... (what i have done).

So, clealy undermodeled..... they are now more efficients, but less than M2 or Berezin.

BTW, for IAR 81a, we have standardard 303 and MG131, for A6M5 MG-FF and MG131, US M2 at 900 rpm for KI43-II and so on....

DOn't speak about HO103, Hispano and so on

[150GCT_Veltro]

It's still very impegnative but now with @@@@@@@@ SAFAT, we can finally fly the maccaroni (C-200 first of all) in the russian front. Not bad after more than 6 years of prayers. Personally i've added some more italian Squadriglia for the Russian front. I've spent 5 minutes of my time to do it......."copy and paste", very impegnative.

Thank a lot mate! LaGG-3 and Rata now can be shoot down.

After CSIR @@@ i'm working on ANR @@@ (also with brasilian "Senta a Pua!"), and it would be nice have also a @@@@@@@@ version of 0.50 for private game. In the next future i really hope to play another "megamission" with our american friends in the Air War Italy 1943 - 1944, to repeat the fantastic online experience we did some times ago.....but this time with @@@@@@@ B-24 instead of B-25. No Learche and UFO of course.

But please don't forget: "Sorry no time, you're wrong!".

Macchi C-202 SAFAT 12,7

[Monguse]

Ciao Velto!

I agree 100% with what has been said. Also, the next megamission WILL BE phenominal!

[150GCT_Veltro]

We'll do it Monguse....we'll do it!

[VMF-214_HaVoK]

Originally Posted by IvanK

With respect no it shouldnt. The Russian Berrzin 12.7mm was perhaps the best 12.7mm Gun made and deployed in WWII. Have a look at the chart in my previous post and compare the Gun power column. 12.7UB gun power of 78, M2... 58 whilst the SAFAT comes in at 36. (though the 12.7Ub value is for a sync installtion)

This is a relative index comparing the total gun system ammo the lot. Sure an invidual round might have some cosmic HE compound in it but that needs to be seen in terms of rate of fire,Impact velocity etc. The Gun power index does that. Again if you research the book and or website you will see the data indicates the Breda SAFAT 12.7mm to be a realtively underpowered gun/ammo combination.

What we see in IL2 (imo) is at least in relative terms borne out by the available data.

I did not know that! Thanks for the information.

S~

[Rickusty]

Bump...

Let's hope some modifications will be made in the upcoming 4.09... It will be a work of just some minutes.