Luthier Update Clarification Please

Originally Posted by IamNotDavid

Someone is projecting.

you and Ace should not adobt the child...

@Repent - agree with you but only in one matter...no point in asking Luthier anything because hes too busy...although they need a PR guy and then we would have a proper communication...

[pupo162]

Originally Posted by robtek

If it includes all of CoD, how can it be incompatible with CoD???

Isn't every patch incompatible with previous versions?

thats how FB worked. a whole game pretty much as if il2 was just a beta test.

[robtek]

The difference is in the definition

It won't be a new game, just a big, paid for, patch.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by robtek

LoBiSoMeM,

with this pov i really don't understand why you don't side with AoA.

I fail to see, why you think you have to oppose him, is it personal?

It seems this slug-fest has only escalated about some really minor differences.

You don't understand...

I love this sim, i'm follow it's development as any other IL-2 series fanboy.

But DirectX11 support was advertised, we are fooled with the "we don't have AA in this screenshot because it's an old PC" and other things, and we received a BROKEN and INCOMPLETE software in release.

I can't just forget that. I'm just saying that.

[pupo162]

Originally Posted by robtek

The difference is in the definition

It won't be a new game, just a big, paid for, patch.

no there is a differnece. FB was like this

il2 was out.

Fb was out it incldued all off content of il2 + FB content. People who had il2 had to buy FB, and people who bought FB where up to date. It was like buy a sequel who had all the previous stuff in it too.

Dont confuse this with PF wich was a stand alone who could be merged.

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

It may be natural for the average person to 'think' that way..

But I think we all can agree that 1C, UBI, and STEAM is not responsable for what some people may think.

1C, UBI, and STEAM are only responsable for what the advertised.

And it should be clear to all now that just because some people here like you 'jumped' to that conclusion does not mean 1C, UBI, or STEAM cheated us out of something or tried to fool us into something.

I will say this, I am glad to see that you are open minded enough to not only admit you were wrong, but open minded enough to read and learn what API support means. So a big S for you!

It's not that easy. A court of law might as well find that the marketing of CloD in this aspect is deceitful/fallacious.
Like I already mentioned common practice is to not only support APIs (weird wording) but also offer the features of the supported APIs.

DX10 was released in 2006 and saying that CloD has the "Latest-gen graphics engine" that utilize "the best of technology for ultimate realism" when all it does is using an over 5 years old technology, that is horsesh!t in it's purest form.
But hey, CloD supports some new APIs. Great!!


And lets not forget all the other broken stuff like AI, radio comms, inverted controls, wrong DM/FM, no SLI support, etc etc.
Sure, it wasn't printed on the box that it would work so they're in the clear but never the less they made us believe we would get a working game but sold us something different.

This community is legendary and built out of a fine group of followers who love the IL-2 series (me included). No wonder people are p!$$ed when Ubi/1C sells them a broken game 4 years after announced release and then disappears.


Listen, I've blocked you and have no interest in communicating with you but I think this is an important issue which is why I reply to your post for others to read.
You recognize me for having an open mind unfortunately I have no hope that you'll drop your ignorant and patronizing attitude. People like you don't change.

[SYN_Repent]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

It's not that easy. A court of law might as well find that the marketing of CloD in this aspect is deceitful/fallacious.
Like I already mentioned common practice is to not only support APIs (weird wording) but also offer the features of the supported APIs.

DX10 was released in 2006 and saying that CloD has the "Latest-gen graphics engine" that utilize "the best of technology for ultimate realism" when all it does is using an over 5 years old technology, that is horsesh!t in it's purest form.
But hey, CloD supports some new APIs. Great!!


And lets not forget all the other broken stuff like AI, radio comms, inverted controls, wrong DM/FM, no SLI support, etc etc.
Sure, it wasn't printed on the box that it would work so they're in the clear but never the less they made us believe we would get a working game but sold us something different.

This community is legendary and built out of a fine group of followers who love the IL-2 series (me included). No wonder people are p!$$ed when Ubi/1C sells them a broken game 4 years after announced release and then disappears.


Listen, I've blocked you and have no interest in communicating with you but I think this is an important issue which is why I reply to your post for others to read.
You recognize me for having an open mind unfortunately I have no hope that you'll drop your ignorant and patronizing attitude. People like you don't change.

+1

[robtek]

As said before, dx11 support is different from featuring dx11 effects.

But that is how one WANTS to interpret! You can accept it or you can get riled up about it, to no avail, btw.

But anyway, why get so riled about things of the past? It's history, not changeable.

It is never wise to hold grudges too long, always leading to problems and escalations out of proportion.

As almost everybody agrees atm we have a working, in no way perfect, sim here, still filling us with great expectations.

So, let us unite our voices for a better future. (gosh, doesn't that sound soupy?)

Originally Posted by SYN_Repent

if tree, or adonys, or one of the other so called "whiners" (good guys) had posted the original post, this thread would now be full of "stop whining and just play the new patch they released, let them get on with their work, it will be released when its ready, they will give us information when they can, they are too busy to answer right now"

krupi, stop f*cking whining and give luthier a break, dont over analyze what he says, your just looking for something to whine about.

I dont think Tree will be asking anything for a long while he's been banned again, which kind of illustrates your point, out of all the name calling Tree is the only one to get a ban. lol

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

It's not that easy. A court of law might as well find that the marketing of CloD in this aspect is deceitful/fallacious.
Like I already mentioned common practice is to not only support APIs (weird wording) but also offer the features of the supported APIs.

...

I think that there has been a really confused interpretation of exactly what is meant by that phrase DX11 API used in the marketing material.

Aces has interpreted it to mean that the devs were using the DX11 API but never intended to include any DX11 features with the game. But any version of DX can be referred to as an API and the common interpretation of stating that DX 11 APi supported OR DX10 API supported - in the context of communication with the public/potential customers IS exactly as people interpreted it - i.e. they were planning to include DX11 features. (this is stated by Oleg in the supplied link AND by Luthier explicitly in the other link). There is really no need for further confusion on all this.

I'm also not pushing this to criticise the game, but as Lobisomem has said - the truth is the truth. Aces has got the wrong end of the stick, and him shouting louder than everyone else should not be allowed to dictate what is viewed as truth.

As you say above no company is going to lay themselves open to potential legal redress by deliberately playing word games of that type. The situation we ended up with is due to technical difficulties in getting the planned DX11 feature implementation to work and snafued communication with marketing dept.