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Old 10-19-2011, 05:16 PM
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No matter how good the camouflage used, 'movement' attracts the eye automaticaly..
Even if the plane/truck/soldier/ is perfectly matched to the terrain, as soon as they move they are liable to be seen.
Early aircraft camo was more intended for when the machine is parked up in field conditions with a camouflage net over it, so as to mask it from observation.. if its on the move the human eye is likely to see it..
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Old 10-19-2011, 05:22 PM
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That makes me want to create a blue camo plane like the navy wear now
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Old 10-19-2011, 05:40 PM
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It's not impossible to spot dots down below, it's just more difficult than in il2fb, where it was very easy.

One thing you all need to keep in mind is the size of the map. The flyable area in CLOD is enormous, and even with 40 players in it you aren't guaranteed to run into somebody.

On ATAG it's rare to see Red pilots above 3000m; most of them twirl around on the deck, low over their ships. I've had sorties where I was thinking "Where are all the RAF?" at about 4k over england. I would then descend and zoom in at the ground and see large furballs down in the sub-2000m area where I don't want to go.

You CAN spot contacts on the deck from 5k. I've done it. But it's really really hard.
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Old 10-19-2011, 05:40 PM
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No matter how good the camouflage used, 'movement' attracts the eye automaticaly..
Even if the plane/truck/soldier/ is perfectly matched to the terrain, as soon as they move they are liable to be seen.
Early aircraft camo was more intended for when the machine is parked up in field conditions with a camouflage net over it, so as to mask it from observation.. if its on the move the human eye is likely to see it..
The problem is when you' re on a plane EVERYTHING is in motion respect your position so I don't think you have a point to be honest. If you then add a background when you're looking from above it becomes even more difficult.

I think all ppl who think this way should make difference of what they would like to be and what really it is, sorry m8.
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:02 PM
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The problem is when you' re on a plane EVERYTHING is in motion respect your position so I don't think you have a point to be honest. If you then add a background when you're looking from above it becomes even more difficult.

I think all ppl who think this way should make difference of what they would like to be and what really it is, sorry m8.
Luckily our brain is smarter than us.., cause you can see stuff in movement also when you are in movement: we are not talking of seeing the poles from a train, but seeing a car moving from another car moving.. the brain can see easily that, as can see easily aicraft moving from another aircraft: it is common sense.

the point whatever is that in the article that 6S.Manu put is pretty clear:


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High or highly visible: DAY 30 to 40 miles - NIGHT 8 to 10 miles
Moderate or moderately visible: DAY 10 to 15 miles - NIGHT 2 to 3 miles
Low or barely visible: DAY 1 to 2 miles - NIGHT 200 to 1000 yards


moreover in the other parts of the interesting article it practically says that is difficult to obtain the real low or barely visible condition because there should be the perfect camo on the perfect terrain (so spitfire on a grain field= bad) and because surfaces like plexiglass and glass are considered high visible, like i suppose the yellow nose of the emil.

@KeBrAnTo; i'm i blind one, but i can see an airplane also far away... so if an airplane disappear also at 5000 meters, and it is not that case, it is closer that happens, (i'm not talking of camo now) in normal conditions of weather and light it is not a good simulation..

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The problem is when you' re on a plane EVERYTHING is in motion respect your position so I don't think you have a point to be honest. If you then add a background when you're looking from above it becomes even more difficult.

I think all ppl who think this way should make difference of what they would like to be and what really it is, sorry m8.
Of course we are speaking about RELATIVE movement of a plane against the terrain/sky. The human eye can catch easily a movement, as said by Tamat, even if it's relative to the rest.

Have a look at Manu's last post, the US Navy study defines "moderate visibility" of a plane as 10-15 miles, and "high visibility" as 30-40 miles ... Sorry m8, we are far from that in this game.
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Of course we are speaking about RELATIVE movement of a plane against the terrain/sky. The human eye can catch easily a movement, as said by Tamat, even if it's relative to the rest.

Have a look at Manu's last post, the US Navy study defines "moderate visibility" of a plane as 10-15 miles, and "high visibility" as 30-40 miles ... Sorry m8, we are far from that in this game.
Well it seems that if US Navy says that must be true.

I cannot really believe that you think you can spot a10 meter long plane at a distance of 30-40 miles which in my own lang is 65-80 Km,

Listen, i live exactly at 25 miles of a 200 meters-high buildin,g and on the best westher conditions you can hardly spot it against the sky. Imagine trying to spot a 10 meter plane, lol


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30-40 miles would be more in the range of 54 to 72 km .
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30-40 miles would be more in the range of 54 to 72 km .
whatever,
didn' t grab the calc, it does the job for my purpose anyway
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I cannot really believe that you think you can spot a10 meter long plane at a distance of 30-40 miles which in my own lang is 65-80 Km,

Listen, i live exactly at 25 miles of a 200 meters-high buildin,g and on the best westher conditions you can hardly spot it against the sky. Imagine trying to spot a 10 meter plane, lol
I don't think they are nautical miles (if they are then I missed it).. so in our countries it should be 50-65km.

Anyway how can be the windshield "high visible"? Try to guess...
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