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[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Does anyone think that the Eastern Block countries, East Germany, Romania, etc. would have put up with the Russia communist oppression for over 50 years if they'd have had guns? They would have tried to do something to resist.

Does anyone think that the people in Somalia "today" would be under the oppression of the war lords, if the general population had access to guns?
They would try to do something to resist.

Does anyone think that the oppression in Darfur would be going on if the persecuted people had guns? They would try to do something to resist.

When people are empowered with the will resist, or they have guns and guts, they can make oppressors seek easier prey.

Guns are harmless, they are just metal objects like cars, hammers, screwdrivers, etc. You can kill someone with any of the three in the hands of the wrong person.

Guns can be a tool of dubious value of course against government oppression.

When Russia was at war with Afghanistan they had the big helicopter gun ships with the extremely fast "guns". The Russians could wipe out an entire village with one 4 second fly by. The Afghans were helpless with their handguns against such weapons and a well equipped enemy. America gave the Afghans the SAM, RPG. The Afghans began to knock down those gunships. This was a war too costly to continue for Russia, they loaded up and left.

Guns have a place, but in modern day warfare I'd say it is mostly in the minds of the people that think the ordinary handgun will be their salvation.

That my friend is the reason you have the 2nd amendment in America. Perhaps the world doesn't understand that the Constitution in America does not state what the government will do for you or it's obligation towards its people. It is a charter of negative liberties against the government to restrain it. And specifically the 2nd amendment is not there to prevent authorities from not allowing people to own guns. Read this next part very carefully. It is there to prevent the government from turning on its people and changing it into any other system that the people do not authorize. It is a written threat and a promise that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Not for sport. Not for coolness. But to CONTROL GOVERNMENT. Not the body itself. But the once in a while socialist that gets out of hand. We get torches and pitchforks first then elections and then the 2nd amendment remedy is there.

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by timej31

That my friend is the reason you have the 2nd amendment in America. Perhaps the world doesn't understand that the Constitution in America does not state what the government will do for you or it's obligation towards its people. It is a charter of negative liberties against the government to restrain it. And specifically the 2nd amendment is not there to prevent authorities from not allowing people to own guns. Read this next part very carefully. It is there to prevent the government from turning on its people and changing it into any other system that the people do not authorize. It is a written threat and a promise that protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms. Not for sport. Not for coolness. But to CONTROL GOVERNMENT. Not the body itself. But the once in a while socialist that gets out of hand. We get torches and pitchforks first then elections and then the 2nd amendment remedy is there.

We use democracy instead of weapons to control government. But I'm a socialist so guess that puts me on your nut list.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

We use democracy instead of weapons to control government. But I'm a socialist so guess that puts me on your nut list.

Democracies always fail. They always end up being mob rule. All it takes is for one group to become more populous than the other people that have lived there for centuries and they have more votes and do and elect who they want and do what they want. Socialism is responsible for more than 70 million deaths in only a hand full of nations. I wouldn't be too proud to admit that on here.

I hope it doesn't come as a shock to you but look into German history during the 1920's through 1930's. HE was elected also. And HE to was a socialist.

The United States isn't a democracy. Hope that doesn't come as a shock to anyone not living here.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

We use democracy instead of weapons to control government. But I'm a socialist so guess that puts me on your nut list.

Any country whose citizens do not have the right to bear arms, is facing real problems. I say that as I view the current banking and economic crisis in the world. Riots and insurrection aimed at incompetency in governments are central topics of international news daily.

People can only give up so much through entitlements until there is no more give up. When people become desperate for their daily needs then all the cautions and high sounding words won't mean a thing.

Failied social experiments won't mean zip, because when someone else has to pay for others to live and they don't have the means to provide for themselves... it's gonna hit the proverbial fan.

I want access to lots of guns and ammo when it hits the fan.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I want access to lots of guns and ammo when it hits the fan.

correcto-mondo!

[Lixma]

Guys, you know who you are, you really ought to give up on these (deleted word) apocalypse fantasies. You know the ones; It's finally happened - the 'sh*t has hit the fan' and you and your Glock are the only thing standing between a hoard of liberal, homosexual, zombie Democrats and your pregnant wife and subterranean stash of radiation-proof tinned goods.

It's not healthy, you know.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Guys, you know who you are, you really ought to give up on these (edit) apocalypse fantasies. You know the ones; It's finally happened - the 'sh*t has hit the fan' and you and your Glock are the only thing standing between a hoard of liberal, homosexual, zombie Democrats and your pregnant wife and subterranean stash of radiation-proof tinned goods.

It's not healthy, you know.

Not sure what you mean. Go grab The Original Argument and read it. It's a very good read and honestly I can't remember a time where America was alive and interested in their founding fathers. They are alive and are reading so much about our founders. It's an awakening like we've not seen probably since the atrocious Woodrow Wilson era. But it is a fantastic read and a new #1 best seller!

[nearmiss]

Lixma

I'd suggest you move onto something else, your last posting laced with vulgar expressions indicates frustration with the topic.

Just sayin' because vulgarity will get you a ban.

[Lixma]

It was meant as humour.

laced with vulgar expressions

No it wasn't.

(Maybe Democrat is considered vulgar in some circles...)

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Lixma

It was meant as humour.



No it wasn't.

(Maybe Democrat is considered vulgar in some circles...)

Not really. Today's democrats are not like the ones I use to know. Today they have been infected by people and ideals that are not even of this land. They call it progressive now and they have sickened both left and right. But that word is dicey now days to. I supposed they will start calling themselves blue dog democrats next.
But everyone is onto them now