Kinect support for headtracking in birds of steel please

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by Gilly

I don't understand it!!! I'm an owner and director of a IT and communications company that specialises in 3D modelling, eye tracking and virtual reality so no I guess I wouldn't would I?
It's not natural to turn your head to look left or right, it's your eyes that move. As for priority it isn't even by a small margin. As I've said nice for yourself if they do but not critical at all to the overall game at all.

well thats funny because after 200 hours of flying simulators with track ir i find it completely natural and more benifitial to my ability to fight than any other thing in the game.

seems like you are completely unqualified for your job if you think such technology is not useful or "unnatural"

also if you are unable to look at one point on a screen and turn your head and keep focus on that one point then you are physically or quite possibly mentally disabled.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

well thats funny because after 200 hours of flying simulators with track ir i find it completely natural and more benifitial to my ability to fight than any other thing in the game.

seems like you are completely unqualified for your job if you think its such a technology is not useful or "un natural"

also if you are unable to look at one point and turn your head and keep focus on that one point then you are physically disabled.

So let it be funny for you. I find it funny that you log hours of flying pixels around a screen. I haven't at any point said it's not useful, it's just not critical. If so then I must be as you say unqualified for my job, I better pack in now and retire...no wait we turnover £40million a year so I must be doing something right- oh yeah not wasting my life
staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist. And what has physical disablity to do with it save for you trying to get a discreet insult in. Part of what we do is enable such disadvantaged people to use computers by using such things as head or eye tracking depending upon there level of mobility. I therefore find your disability line not only offensive but to be honest disgusting.

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by Gilly

So let it be funny for you. I find it funny that you log hours of flying pixels around a screen. I haven't at any point said it's not useful, it's just not critical. If so then I must be as you say unqualified for my job, I better pack in now and retire...no wait we turnover £40million a year so I must be doing something right- oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist. And what has physical disablity to do with it save for you trying to get a discreet insult in.

im not trying to be insulting

you literally have to be physically or mentally disabled to not support track IR in a flight simulator

also

"oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist"

"Herp derp im not REALLY arguing with somebody on a video game forum , its all just a fantasy and in reality im working hard at the office selling products i hate and dont believe in."

[Slothboy]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

im not trying to be insulting

you literally have to be physically or mentally disabled to not support track IR in a flight simulator

also

"oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist"

"Herp derp im not REALLY arguing with somebody on a video game forum , its all just a fantasy and in reality im working hard at the office selling products i hate and dont believe in."

Spark, seriously, you don't need to be insulting to have a debate with someone. I realize this is the internet but we can still maintain a certain level of respect and decorum. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't make them mentally disabled. If you can only "win" a debate by using insults then that implies that either your position is weak or you are not capable of making logical arguments. It reflects poorly on you and your argument.

If everyone agreed on everything all the time we would never make any progress as a society. Look at it as an opportunity to convert someone to your way of thinking without alienating them or putting them on the defensive. I dare you to respond to counter arguments without insult. double dog dare

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

im not trying to be insulting

you literally have to be physically or mentally disabled to not support track IR in a flight simulator

also

"oh yeah not wasting my life staring at a virtual world that doesn't exist"

"Herp derp im not REALLY arguing with somebody on a video game forum , its all just a fantasy and in reality im working hard at the office selling products i hate and dont believe in."

Think Slothboy has covered most of what I would have said save for the fact that you state now it's an argument and I dont believe and hate the products I sell. Pray tell at what point have I said I hate or don't believe in head tracking?? In fact Ive stated I like it. What I was saying and I will reiterate it for you here seeing as you obviously didn't read it- it's not critical for the game. That is all I have said on the matter. What is more obvious is the fact you can't have a debate on the subject nor accept or respect other peoples viewpoints should they differ from your own.

[bobbysocks]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

im not trying to be insulting.

the F you arent! you are being down right insulting. someone made light of your toys so you threw a tantrum. you are the one who isnt listening or understanding. no one said that track IR wouldnt be ok. someone merely stated their preference that in the limited programing restrictions for the game, and the space required for configuring Track IR, they preferred it be put to use to make a better overall game. and I agree with that! and instead of graciously educating that person as to why they maybe wrong you resort to name calling. then, when one of the most respected members of this forum calls you on it in polite manner. you tastelessly attack him with comments about him having a physical or mental challenge? maybe your logging of long hours with your flight simulator has become detrimental to your social development. if you wish to get along in this community you are going have to show all members respect. if that is too difficult for you to manage then i suggest finding another place to hang out.

[StiC]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

im not trying to be insulting

Being the father of, and raising an autistic child I found your outburst to be very insulting.

Bobbysocks spoke the rest of my mind.

StiC

[guiltyspark]

Originally Posted by StiC

Being the father of, and raising an autistic child I found your outburst to be very insulting.

Bobbysocks spoke the rest of my mind.

StiC

Im sorry for your loss

It isnt my fault that the first thing that jumps to your mind when "mentally disabled" is mentioned is your son. Seems like there are some personal issues you need to work out.

Anyway.

I walked into this thread expecting widespread support for an idea that is so benifitial to the flight sim genre it is completely mindbending to as how anyone who realistically calls themself a fan of any il2 game , console or pc ,
can object to it on the means that "bu if u look at da scren and terun ur head it dont wurk"

I tried explaining why its important for the game , but was still met with logic i could equate to an old man refusing to use the internet because its "hocus pocus mumbo jumbo"

Fact . birds of steel will be a simulator type game
fact . Head tracking not only GREATLY benifits the gamers by giving them extreme situational awareness , but it could also free up some buttons to use for other functions.
Fact. You HAVE TO BE dense to refuse these facts and try to pass it off as an opinion to damage control your own ignorance on the topic.

I wasnt trying to be insulting , but now i am very much so being insulting , you have to be of limited intellectual function to disagree with this feature. I could equate this as saying cockpits are bells and whistles because i would rather the developers work on the "core game".

its just useless tripe trying to convince yourself that head tracking isnt needed for this game when its completely possible with the hardware available

[Rambo Rich 360]

I must stand corrected. I didn't really know about Track IR or other products. Seems like a pretty decent and cool product.

Perhaps it would be a good add-on for Birds of Steel, but its not a make or break for me. If they want to add support for it, that's fine and dandy, but i'll be purchasing the game (probably even a backup) regardless.

[StiC]

Originally Posted by guiltyspark

Seems like there are some personal issues you need to work out.

I guess that wasn't meant to be insulting either.

The only personal issue I have is with people who resort to personal attacks when they can no longer convincingly argue their side of a debate. I defend the same side of this issue you do, but I will not support your views of people who will not, for their own reasons, accept head tracking as a meaningful method of input and immersion.

I don't argue my case because I think Gilly and Rambo are wrong, but because it is something I believe in. If I can convey my beliefs in a public forum, in a convincing way, perhaps we will be gather enough support for head tracking to make it happen. Insults, as we've seen, just serve to drive people away from your cause.

Regards

StiC