CoD vs some other sims that model Kent?

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

Originally Posted by Sauf

I think with all our expectations being raised over time that we do forget it is primarly a COMBAT sim, which it does exceptionally well, if we can get smooth game/flight play I can live with whatever the ground looks like tbh.

Like WOP?

@ Dave - Wow thanks mate I'm so glad you care so deeply, I can finally rest at night in my bed knowing that you value my opinions so much you just have to tell me publicly.

C'mon i've probably got about 30 years more experience at sarcasam than you.

Why cant you understand no-one is trying to force you to change your opinion?
They, myself included just want the chance to talk about our own opinions without listening to childish insults because you dissagree.
I mean think about it, how would the Wings Of Prey devs feel hearing you trash their hard work? and yet you started this thread denouncing people who you think are doing the same to CoD, its just opinions mate, and everyone has em, being cross or vindictive because some peoples are different is a waste of effort.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It isn't even a close call. The WoP screenshot looks like garbage. The CoD shot looks like the photo. WoP may have more trees, but that doesn't make it look more like the landscape in the photo.

Seriously, it is not possible to look at those 3 shots and not say that WoP looks more real unless you are on the graphic arts staff for WoP, and even they would probably admit that CoD looks better.

End of discussion.


And black/darkbrown lines along fields doesnt make hedge rows in my book. Sry.

[Sauf]

Hi Snake, and no offense intended, but I have flown with online squads using only full real, on and off for the last 5 years of il2, I did buy WOP after a break from flying (working away from home for 16 months on and off) as I thought a change would be good, Played it for half a day and never looked at it since, something I would give my 9 year old boy to play with to teach him the basics of flight dynamics. Also downloaded ROF demo and gave that a shot but couldnt get into it, though that may have been more to the limited game play with the demo than the game itself. Way things are going might have to try it again.

PS, will gladly meet up with you online one day mate to have a fly around as your wingman, you can show me the sights of Kent. S`

[Heliocon]

Not reading all this crap haywards posts because it doesnt seem to end - but keep in mind even if WOP looks worse than cod (I think its situational atm) the fact is that wop performes super smooth maxed out on really mediocre systems. COD does not.

Also the pic of wop is taken with low graphics settings (I notice a lack of decent AA).

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

I mean think about it, how would the Wings Of Prey devs feel hearing you trash their hard work? and yet you started this thread denouncing people who you think are doing the same to CoD, its just opinions mate, and everyone has em

If I thought they cared about my opinion I'd go to their message board and complain over there. I'm quite sure they don't care.

I'm equally convinced that the CoD devs don't care if you think that WoP looks better, or even if it includes hedges like WoP. I'm sure they would model the English farmland exactly if the average PC had the resources available. Since that is not the case, it still appears that they did a far better job than does WoP. It's more than just the tree spacing and hedges. See page 47.

being cross or vindictive because some peoples are different is a waste of effort.

You need to tell that to the people who continue to whine about CoD. I'm not cross or vindictive at all. I'm looking forward to when it is released in the US.

[SsSsSsSsSnake]

Originally Posted by Sauf

Hi Snake, and no offense intended, but I have flown with online squads using only full real, on and off for the last 5 years of il2, I did buy WOP after a break from flying (working away from home for 16 months on and off) as I thought a change would be good, Played it for half a day and never looked at it since, something I would give my 9 year old boy to play with to teach him the basics of flight dynamics. Also downloaded ROF demo and gave that a shot but couldnt get into it, though that may have been more to the limited game play with the demo than the game itself. Way things are going might have to try it again.

PS, will gladly meet up with you online one day mate to have a fly around as your wingman, you can show me the sights of Kent. S`

~S~ Sauf
No offence taken i wasnt trying to say WOP is a better simulator in the FM etc just that it looks more like Kent to me than does COD and I really want COD to be a good immersive game but the land colour and layout spoils the immersion whereas when im flying over kent in WOP with Trackir it looks more like the kent Countryside. thanks for the offer of winging but I think the roles should be the other way round.

[GloDark7]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Not here in the real world. CoD is clearly closer to real world color, lighting, and terrain. The screenshots posted on this thread are pretty definitive. If there are screenshots showing that WoP is better, they haven't been posted here.

That's a matter of opinion. I am of the opinion that WoP is graphically superior and with a properly calibrated screen it looks incredible. Blue Scorpion posted some very good shots right here in this thread we're posting in. Superb shots.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...2&postcount=47

Replays play back to this level of quality with high consistent fps (60fps).

I am obviously a fan. I am very impressed by it and it's level of support. FM is very good with the latest update and many aircraft are very close to historical performance test data.

It has it's short comings which the devs are aware of, but they are listening. It's a bloody good effort. A fantastic first effort. The sequel has so much potential.

I am not in a WoP loving, CoD hating camp. I have both games and want to see CoD become a success and get fixed. Presently CoD is a mess and performance is dreadful across the board. Landscapes are saturated and unnatural. It's cockpits are a thing of beauty by contrast. WoP's colours could be better than they are, but they are better than Cod.

It's only another game in a small PC genre. You like it or you don't. All this 'Wings of Puke, crap, shite'. I refuse to believe these are the utterances of an adult. What's WITH that? Your hatred of it is palpable.

Speaking of the real world, you are aware these are just games...?

Glo (with first hand experience of the English countryside)

[Friendly_flyer]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

It does nothing of the sort. The CoD screenshot is virtually identical to the photo. The CoD "isolated trees" are blind WoP fanboyism. The same "isolated trees" exist in the WoP shot.

No, it is not blind fanboyism.

I do not own WoP, I never had the time to buy it, and like you I find the green haze entirely overdone. The washed out colours too could possibly pass of as a bleak Central European winter, but never as a Britsih summer.

However, just when it comes to the trees and their placement, they do feel more natural, and is a much closer match for teh photoes. Now remember, back in the 1940ies, there were even more hedgerows than now.

What is lacking from CoD 8and which WoP has solved quite smartly by their dark lines, is bushes. There are a lot of isolated trees in CoD. As was noted, it gives the terrain a more Mediterranian look. The typical British landscape has a lot more bushes than trees really. If you want to see a decent rendering of the mid-ceentury British countryside, I'd suggest "Thomas the Tank Engine" (the original series).

With the size of the CoD map, implementing bushed the way they have with trees would likely not be practical. I'm not a programmer, but I think some large bush-objevts to fill out the forests and some long ones for the hedges would do.

[GuillermoZS]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

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This photograph has obviously been color corrected and oversaturated to look nice... it does not look as you would see that landscape in that same moment and in that position with your own eyes. Same problem with CloD colors, oversaturated IMO.