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Old 01-26-2011, 09:05 AM
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You surely understand that it ain't realistic to whine about bombs not arming when dropped while sitting on runway, 2m altitude etc.
Even now with new set of rules it is still easier than it was in RL
That is exactly my point - I dont want it to be super realistic(real-what?).
It's a game and you'll have to find a balance between the needs of fun seekers and requirements of some die hard "I want it real" geeks.
The latter are probably the ones who fly Tokio-LAX realtime in Fsx, LOL.

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It's game which has to attract as many ppl as possible, that affects sales too you know?
If you make it super hard(or realistic) the game becomes unaccessible for newbies. Deserted servers are great fun...

Now TD can change whatever they want, in fact it's very cool they gave the die hard bombers what they wanted, however TD sets standards for the whole community - that is the problem, respectively the reason why such stuff should be optional.

Just look at the servers, where are most ppl flying, what do they fly?
Fighters or bombers?
Bingo.
Now you know what the majority wants when playing IL2.
I'm pretty sure the new feature didn't help at all to change the Bombers-Fighters proportion.
More fighters, less bombers - is that what the ppl applauding to the new fusing wanted?
Their live gets even harder now - it's actually too funny robtek complained about not being able to bomb Portsmouth due to the overwhelming fighter mass.

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Old 01-26-2011, 09:09 AM
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I can understand both sides, and I guess it is a no-brainer to make it optional in difficulty settings... TD made a good decision there.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:05 AM
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Perhaps a switch to set realistic mg and canons jamming as in real life too ?

But enough of my trolling.....

Good decision from TD to make the 2 second fusing an option.

Looking forward to the v4.101 Well done !!
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Old 01-26-2011, 01:26 PM
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Default Wutz, please sit down and breathe.

"How do you know how it was in RL? Where you there? I doubt anyone here on this forum was there in RL and that 98% of the people talking about the bomb arming bit have been as close to the stuff as a picture in a book.

Did you check out the pdf-file on German bombs? Did you read the bit where bombs could be set to a arming time of 0.08sec?
Up to now no documention has been presented that bombing as implied in 4.10 was the the rule, and that for all sides reguardless of country.
And no just because it is harder does not automatically mean it is more "real"."

2% of all people talking about this stuff are in Team Daidilos, and have read the spec and dropped stuff that blows up IRL.

If IRL was easy we would all be strapped to a fighter.

Think you've got the right stuff? Enlist.

Sit down, please.

These TD guys are not just pushing agendas and dragging stuff out of their back passages.

You insult their professionalism if you believe other wise.

This kind off sand pit squabble is bloody tiresome.

Stop stealing my oxygen.

Merde!

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Old 01-26-2011, 02:16 PM
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.......Did you check out the pdf-file on German bombs? Did you read the bit where bombs could be set to a arming time of 0.08sec?.....
That is definitively wrong!!!
The delay could be set to 0.08 s. (MV).
The armingt time still was between 0.9 and 1.5 s.
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Old 01-26-2011, 02:32 PM
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That is definitively wrong!!!
The delay could be set to 0.08 s. (MV).
The armingt time still was between 0.9 and 1.5 s.
Exactly - and that would be the minimum! This setting also came with a fixed 14 seconds of bomb delay.
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Old 01-26-2011, 02:59 PM
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This setting also came with a fixed 14 seconds of bomb delay.
So? The bomb would penetrate the hull, doesn't even matter if it was 140sec.

Would suck only if you're attacking a moving land convoy.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:04 PM
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So? The bomb would penetrate the hull, doesn't even matter if it was 140sec.
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IT IS NOT about SKIPBOMBING
Leaves me to wonder which bomb and which hull, and also to wonder "so?" what. Never heard a fact before? Make of it what you want, that's what the brain is for.
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:10 AM
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That is exactly my point - I dont want it to be super realistic(real-what?).
It's a game and you'll have to find a balance between the needs of fun seekers and requirements of some die hard "I want it real" geeks.
The latter are probably the ones who fly Tokio-LAX realtime in Fsx, LOL.

Again:
It's game which has to attract as many ppl as possible, that affects sales too you know?
If you make it super hard(or realistic) the game becomes unaccessible for newbies. Deserted servers are great fun...

Now TD can change whatever they want, in fact it's very cool they gave the die hard bombers what they wanted, however TD sets standards for the whole community - that is the problem, respectively the reason why such stuff should be optional.

Just look at the servers, where are most ppl flying, what do they fly?
Fighters or bombers?
Bingo.
Now you know what the majority wants when playing IL2.
I'm pretty sure the new feature didn't help at all to change the Bombers-Fighters proportion.
More fighters, less bombers - is that what the ppl applauding to the new fusing wanted?
Their live gets even harder now - it's actually too funny robtek complained about not being able to bomb Portsmouth due to the overwhelming fighter mass.
I wrote long post to you but changed my mind and deleted it, I see no point already said what I have.

Instead I'll ask you one thing.

Since you took some time to reply me twice have you at least downloaded my track and replayed it so we can discuss that?
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Old 01-26-2011, 10:57 AM
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Since you took some time to reply me twice have you at least downloaded my track and replayed it so we can discuss that?
No, I didn't, as can skipbomb with the 4.10 version.*
Took me about 2hrs to re-learn.
But that's not the point - it's not about whether you can adapt or not, the question is why you even have to force ppl to adapt.


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I suck with torps, but then again I never spent much time learning.
Dive bombing is something I hated before, now it's necessary, and you can't even be sure if you hit something at all.
I wonder how often even a experienced stuka pilot goes home with more than 3 tanks(500/2x50)...
But hey, they gave us the Henschel with neat guns, which love TD for, it became my new weapon of choice if go for AG.
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