wich one? saitek x52 or x52pro

[albx]

well, thank you guys... but the g940 and the Warthog HOTAS are out of my budget.. my wife will kill me , i didn't want spend too much, so for a hotas i was more oriented for a x52, right now i have a thrustmaster Flight Hotas X, so i don't know if the saitek is a big step ahead or will be almost the same.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by albx

I need help wich one should I buy. Is worth 30 euro more the x52pro or are basically the same thing? I have read about the display with more functions (i don't need it), and the double spring on the stick... but what is bothering me if it is worth the higher price or I can just go and buy the basic x52 and be happy?

thank you very much

Alberto

The X52 has two advantages:

- Real Hotas
- crapload of buttons and two trim wheels

actually it's fair priced too.


The bad:
- decentering is not necessarily caused by worn cables, but also often by the cable connection in the Joystick socket, tends to get loose..

- dead center: Not really a problem, there a tiny hardware mod to resolve this

- life expectancy: 12-18 months heavy use(mine has about 1000hrs. on it)


Would I buy it again?
If $100 is all I wanted/have to invest: Yes, anytime.
Hotas and all the buttons are worth every cent of it - you'll never have to take your hands from the hotas again.
Real HOTAS is a must.

Pro vs. normal:
They are the same, although they mention something about having different sensors, if you open them, on the inside they look identical.
It's probably an esthetical thing...


Warthog:
Unfortunately it lacks FFB, everybody I talked said it's great to have, so no Warthog for me.

X65: Non moving stick? Uh - no.

Now Logitech, please fix this reversal bug if it still exists.


Edit: I had the Hotas-X too - for about 24hrs, then I returned it.
The x52 is a huge step, do it.
And mod it.
(Keep the removed parts in case you have to send it back for warranty, it's unlikely they open it, but you never know)

[PilotError]

Hi,

I had an X52 which I really liked.

I managed to get an X52 pro at a bargain price on eBay, and I have to say that it is worth paying that bit extra.

As far as buttons and axis go the X52 and the pro have the same number and functions on the stick and throttle, although the pro has a few more with the MFD.

The big difference I found was the joystick.
The extra spring gives it a better "feel", but the main difference is that it is more precise and responsive.

So I would recommend the pro over the standard X52.

[swiss]

The question is: Is that spring worth $30-40?

Also there's a tradeoff: The spring increases friction, unfortunately there is plastic "gliding" on plastic...

just a thought.

[PilotError]

Originally Posted by swiss

The question is: Is that spring worth $30-40?

The spring isn't worth the extra money, but the pro is.

Just to clarify, the extra spring on the pro gives the stick a better feel, but that is not what makes it more responsive.
If I remember correctly the pro is supposed to have twice as many sensors (or possibly sensors twice as good ?).
When I changed from the standard X52 to the pro I found it was much easier to control an aircraft with just small movements of the stick, especially near the center.
I definitely found it easier to keep the crosshairs on an enemy plane using the pro.

So, yes, the pro is worth the extra cost IMHO.

[tityus]

As we all know, there are many Hotas on the market and all have pros, cons, and specially flaws. Considering all that, since the choice is X52 vs X52 Pro, I'd go for X52.

I have no interest in the programmable display and, having tried both, I don't think the pro has a significant advantage over the X52to justify the extra buck.

IMO, X52is more cost effective - specially if one does not need the new lcd functions.

té mais
tityus

[Chivas]

The X52 was useless if you wanted to hit your target quickly. IF the X52 Pro fixed the huge deadzone issue then it may be a viable option. I also don't particularly like the programming software. Personally I wouldn't tough another one with a ten foot pole.

Unfortunately there hasn't been a good joystick since the MSFF2. Although the new Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas appears to have the qualities of a very good stick without force feedback. I will probably buy one soon, hopefully it won't join my Saitek X52, CH Fighterstick, Logitech G940, and Thrustmaster Cougar gathering dust in the basement.

[Sven]

I heard from a person in my flight unit that he wanted to throw the X52 out of the window because the sensors were not responding right ( laggy controls in IL2 and RoF) and when he took it apart, there was some dust in there, he cleaned it, but that didnt work, so he used WD40 and that worked, till a few weeks later when the same thing happened, now the question is does he have a house full of dust or is the X52 not well designed to keep dust out ( at least away from vital areas) , note his X52 was not very old.

Not relevant to your request but I use the G940, before that bug was announced I never noticed it, but I wanted to test it out for myself and then indeed noticed the error in the axis, someone said earlier in this thread that flying with it was impossible and not to keep in formation or extreme flying, utter bullcrap of course, I've never had any problems getting to a specific power percentage so formation flying is not an issue. Extreme flying? Pilot skills mostly, maybe someone who has profit going from 78 % to 77 in a nano second might be annoyed by the error. I don't want to show off here, but in the last online campaign I played I had the highest tally of enemy fighters shot down versus a low death rate, so flying with the G940 is at least if not more able to get yourself a good result in IL2 then say a X52.

I can understand that some might see me as a 'fanboy' ( which is actually true because I'm a fan of my G940) but in a negative way, I tried to make clear that the reversal bug is not a strong drawback of the G940 in IL2.

[SEE]

I have both - the X52 Pro has double the Hall sensors for X -Y axis. The standard X52 has better rotary sliders and seem to be far easier to grip and rotate but overall the Pro is a better stick and available at reasonable prices if you shop around. The spring tension is very light on the X52 Pro (despite having dual springs) and some find it feels 'sloppy'. Mouse drift is a problem with my standard X52 but both these sticks are hand soldered point to point wiring and I have had to dismantle the X52 and resolder many of the joints in the throttle assy which were ''dry" or not even soldered! Dismantling one of these is not for the faint hearted....

BTW, s/h X45's can be picked up for peanuts (mine has lasted for years) and could be well worth picking up as a back up but these have a paddle rudder if you are used to a twist type (which is what you will get with the X52 types).

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Sven

I heard from a person in my flight unit that he wanted to throw the X52 out of the window because the sensors were not responding right ( laggy controls in IL2 and RoF) and when he took it apart, there was some dust in there, he cleaned it, but that didnt work, so he used WD40 and that worked, till a few weeks later when the same thing happened, now the question is does he have a house full of dust or is the X52 not well designed to keep dust out ( at least away from vital areas) , note his X52 was not very old.

Not relevant to your request but I use the G940, before that bug was announced I never noticed it, but I wanted to test it out for myself and then indeed noticed the error in the axis, someone said earlier in this thread that flying with it was impossible and not to keep in formation or extreme flying, utter bullcrap of course, I've never had any problems getting to a specific power percentage so formation flying is not an issue. Extreme flying? Pilot skills mostly, maybe someone who has profit going from 78 % to 77 in a nano second might be annoyed by the error. I don't want to show off here, but in the last online campaign I played I had the highest tally of enemy fighters shot down versus a low death rate, so flying with the G940 is at least if not more able to get yourself a good result in IL2 then say a X52.

I can understand that some might see me as a 'fanboy' ( which is actually true because I'm a fan of my G940) but in a negative way, I tried to make clear that the reversal bug is not a strong drawback of the G940 in IL2.

I agree that the reversal bug is not a huge problem, but it is a problem that makes accurate targeting a little slower than it would be without it. My favorte test is using a 109 with the MK108 and see how quickly I can kill a dozen friendly aircraft. I use friendly aircraft as they don't avoid, so its more about stick accuracy. The MSFF2 is the best in time and accuracy, taking only seconds to shoot them all down with one 108 per aircraft. The G940 was alittle slower as there was slightly more stick stiring, due mainly to the reversal bug. Although this is all relative to the ability of the user.