More severe moderation in update threads?

[LukeFF]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

I agree with what Oleg said last week;
ask questions, supply answers if possible, give links if neccesary, be humble....something to that effect.
Surely that is all that is needed?

You would do well to remember that yourself. Not that you haven't posted good factual information (because you have), but a lot of the time I feel like I'm reading a stream of consciousness novel in your posts.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by LukeFF

You would do well to remember that yourself. Not that you haven't posted good factual information (because you have), but a lot of the time I feel like I'm reading a stream of consciousness novel in your posts.

Noted, thanks. I do agree; reading through some of my posts, I did go red in the face. (I'm not being sarcastic here; it's embarassing for me to have to say this, too)

[YellowPaw]

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

[Splitter]

Originally Posted by YellowPaw

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

You need to post more often.....

Splitter

[Jaws2002]

I agree with you, but when you have only maybe two same guys being responsible for all this, it should be a lot easier to just ban this usual suspects and spare Oleg and the whole community of all this drama.
We and Oleg don't owe nothing to this two three guys to have to put up with this every week.
Remember, the game is not out yet, they didn't pay a cent yet, so why should all the rest have to be hostage to them? We have to put up with people like this in real life all the time, because they are customers, contractors, employees, boses and sometimes familly members. We come here for fun in our spare time. We don't have to put up with this.

[baronWastelan]

I don't care. This forum sucks and you're all gonna die.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

I don't care. This forum sucks and you're all gonna die.

You see,this is just the sort of thing that could get a ban.The poster might think he is being funny,but humour does not always travel well on the net,with lots of people from different countries.

[Jimko]

Originally Posted by YellowPaw

This is my first post here though I've been following Il2 (and now SoW) since being hooked by the original demo back in the stone age when pentiums ruled the earth.

I've been avidly following the progress of our new great sim since it was announced but, before now, I've never felt the need to comment since, whenever I pondered some interesting question I might ask, someone else generally went ahead and asked it for me (maybe I'm just slow).

Now, however, I feel a bit left out as this hearty debate progresses so I thought I'd add my own observations to the fray:

Over the last few weeks I've found myself wincing every now and then at the occasional crass statement or question directed at Oleg, but I've generally reassured myself that Oleg himself (who is after all grown-up) recognises idiocy when he sees it and doesn't take it too personally. I'm sure he gets annoyed, as most of us would, but I doubt anyone as capable and confident in his professional abilities as Oleg clearly is, is going to take it to heart.

In addition, I've never felt those crass statements or questions were intended to be malicious in any way (obvious trolls aside), so for my part (and mine alone), I don't have too much of a problem with ill-considered posts directed at the devs or the game itself. I've actually done a few ill-considered things in my own life and I don't have it in me to censure it in others where I find no malice behind it (or if I do I keep it to myself).

And anyway, I haven't done a comparative post count as such but I don't believe it is these inconsequential blatherings that fill up these threads to such herculanean proportions... it is the responses to them - and the responses to the responses.

In the end, it is the rage and insults spent in pursuit of the 'wicked' that leaves me with the occasional bad feeling when I read these threads. I honestly don't believe you can legislate against idiocy, since all of us are guilty at one time or another and at the same time no one is irredeemable. Manners, and respect, however, should be something we are all capable of. Oleg made a statement recently calling for patience. I took to this to mean something akin to tolerance for one another but I may be wrong.

So can't we all just try a little respect and a little more humility.

Anyway, that's my first post (there are probably too many brackets, but I like brackets) and I'm off to bed - it's a cold night in blighty.

Praise the Oleg and pass the ammunition.

Hear Hear! Well stated, YellowPaw!

As I was reading these posts, I was formulating a reply when I came to yours and discovered that you have already stated my thoughts (and probably the thoughts of many others) on this matter.

So I will just reiterate the point that Oleg made and that you drew attention to. Polite, respectful forum protocol...something that everyone should be capable of. This is the one aspect that, when ignored, I think deserves severe and swift moderation

Unless the rules governing the posting of questions and opinions in the 'Update' forum are spelled out very carefully to restrict the kind of postings made, then stopping those kinds of comments is a form of censorship that really defeats the purpose of discussion. And that's why I say that the rules governing the posts would have to change and be spelled out very carefully so as to be very restrictive, and, would likely eliminate meaningful discussions .

As it stands, I wouldn't want to see anyone prohibited from asking questions, stating opinions, or entering into POLITE discussions and debates. I can handle all that and I readily filter Oleg's comments when I need to. I am still of the opinion that there is no such thing as a 'stupid question', (probably because I can be guilty of many examples of them), although sometimes a question is ill-timed or not well thought out beforehand...a minor annoyance, not a major crime.

But the denigration of others should not be tolerated, and there are many forums where it's not. I believe that was the aspect that concerned Oleg and the reason he addressed us with his comment.

[YellowPaw]

@ Splitter - Thanks for the comment - I would like to post more often but I'm not sure I have too much to offer. I'm reasonably well-educated about WW2 and its aircraft but no where near the walking encyclopaedias that frequent this forum - I come here to read, to be honest, and I hugely enjoy it! Though I do feel the odd question rearing its head as SoW nears completion.

Originally Posted by Jimko

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Unless the rules governing the posting of questions and opinions in the 'Update' forum are spelled out very carefully to restrict the kind of postings made, then stopping those kinds of comments is a form of censorship that really defeats the purpose of discussion. And that's why I say that the rules governing the posts would have to change and be spelled out very carefully so as to be very restrictive, and, would likely eliminate meaningful discussions .

As it stands, I wouldn't want to see anyone prohibited from asking questions, stating opinions, or entering into POLITE discussions and debates. I can handle all that and I readily filter Oleg's comments when I need to. I am still of the opinion that there is no such thing as a 'stupid question', (probably because I can be guilty of many examples of them), although sometimes a question is ill-timed or not well thought out beforehand...a minor annoyance, not a major crime.

But the denigration of others should not be tolerated, and there are many forums where it's not. I believe that was the aspect that concerned Oleg and the reason he addressed us with his comment.

Actually, I think in supporting my comment, you have rather surpassed it. - Very clearly stated. Damn.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by YellowPaw

@ Splitter - Thanks for the comment - I would like to post more often but I'm not sure I have too much to offer. I'm reasonably well-educated about WW2 and its aircraft but no where near the walking encyclopaedias that frequent this forum - I come here to read, to be honest, and I hugely enjoy it! Though I do feel the odd question rearing its head as SoW nears completion.

Actually, I think in supporting my comment, you have rather surpassed it. - Very clearly stated. Damn.

Often troublesome members and their postings are deleted and no one even knows of it.

I think we all agree there should be some latitude or allowances made in postings, if the poster doesn't go too far.