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Old 10-13-2010, 01:30 PM
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It's not the hardware or the R&D you pay, it's the monopoly premium.
Only is not a monopoly.
1st: there is still FT
2nd: There are probably a dozen or so companies offering tracking devices too, but in a different market(i.e. way out of our financial range)
3rd: Feel free to found a new company with a new approach, a gyro f.i.

4rd: May I ask what you do for a living?
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Old 10-13-2010, 01:44 PM
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Only is not a monopoly.
1st: there is still FT
2nd: There are probably a dozen or so companies offering tracking devices too, but in a different market(i.e. way out of our financial range)
3rd: Feel free to found a new company with a new approach, a gyro f.i.

4rd: May I ask what you do for a living?
It is a monopoly is so far as there is no commercial competition.

1st FT isn't a commercial product. It doesn't try to be competitive.
2nd If they are in a different market, they are not competition
3rd I could form a company with the same approach as TIR is not patented

4th ....I'm an electrical/mechanical maintenance & tools engineer...what that got to do with it?
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Old 10-13-2010, 04:42 PM
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Just get the TIR5 if any way financially feasible as its far more idiot proof and plug and play than the 3Pro I used for years .Considering what we spend on graphics cards etc its NOT that dear...
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Old 10-13-2010, 10:28 PM
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Just get the TIR5 if any way financially feasible as its far more idiot proof and plug and play than the 3Pro I used for years .Considering what we spend on graphics cards etc its NOT that dear...
Considering what it costs me to maintain a motorcycle, occasionally fly real time and what I have spent on music gear, camera gear and road trips to air shows and concerts ... flight sims even with pedals. trackir, joystick/hotas and the occasional computer upgrade is a cheap hobby.

Personally I see the free-track options as something for the handyman electronics hobbyist to play with, a bit like some guys build their own rudder pedals and simpit joysticks. I repair electrical equipment and computers for a living, so I am not that inclined to pull out a soldering iron at home and I happily went out and bought trackir

Regardless of how you get access to head tracking, once you get it working properly and have had a few weeks to get the hang of it, you never look back.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:09 AM
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Personally I see the free-track options as something for the handyman electronics hobbyist to play with, a bit like some guys build their own rudder pedals and simpit joysticks. I repair electrical equipment and computers for a living, so I am not that inclined to pull out a soldering iron at home and I happily went out and bought trackir
Now that IS weird.
It's like a bicycle mechanic who buys a bike off the shelf.
You do build your own computers, right?
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Old 10-14-2010, 10:25 PM
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Now that IS weird.
It's like a bicycle mechanic who buys a bike off the shelf.
You do build your own computers, right?
Only when its obviously better to do it that way Sometimes you will find a place which will assemble and test a PC from provided specs that only charge for the parts. If someone else will assemble and test a PC for me then I am happy to let them, I do not see assembling PCs as particularly "fun".

I also worked with audio and sound equipment at one stage and have when necessary built PA systems graphic equalizers etc from scratch but when I wanted a guitar amp I went out and picked up a Peavey.

Just saying I see building your own head-tracker as more an enthusiast thing a bit like the guys spending their weekends putting custom exhausts and fancy wheels and a custom stereo in their car or the overclocking types that put their PC system specs in their forum signature.

The real point is that regardless of using freetrack, or trackIR or having an elephant watch your head movements and move the mouse with its trunk ... some form of head tracking is almost as important as a good joystick.
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Old 10-14-2010, 05:43 AM
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Just get the TIR5 if any way financially feasible as its far more idiot proof and plug and play than the 3Pro I used for years .Considering what we spend on graphics cards etc its NOT that dear...
Personally i'm not against the cost or the product, what bothers me is how the company act, that want have a monopoly, read the link some posts ago.. you can have an idea of how naturalpoint is.. so i'll never buy a their product...
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Old 10-14-2010, 06:41 AM
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Personally i'm not against the cost or the product, what bothers me is how the company act, that want have a monopoly, read the link some posts ago.. you can have an idea of how naturalpoint is.. so i'll never buy a their product...
.. but you clearly use Windows and MS are far worse than natural point even going as far as buying competing products and taking them off the market.
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Old 10-14-2010, 06:55 AM
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I really don't know what some people here have against NaturalPoint?
If i had developed a brought into the market a cash cow like TIR, i would protect it any way i could.
Anybody who thinks that a company willingly accept losses is, imho, a idealistic dreamer.
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Old 10-14-2010, 07:07 AM
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I really don't know what some people here have against NaturalPoint?
If i had developed a brought into the market a cash cow like TIR, i would protect it any way i could.
Anybody who thinks that a company willingly accept losses is, imho, a idealistic dreamer.
would you like to drive a car that accept the gas only from a company? or that you can put on only the tyres that they tell you? why should I buy a game where i can use only trackIR and not another competitor? DCS had to remove their support to freetrack because TrackIR said so.... that's why i'm against them...

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maybe we are going offtopic and probably this is not the right forum where talk about TIR vs. Freetrack and so on... so sorry for this debate..

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