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Old 02-23-2010, 12:39 AM
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2xMG17 (cowling) 2xMGFF (wings) 1xMGFF (nose)---> 3 cannons[/QUOTE]

mmmm, i don´t know.

it said that the machine guns in the wing was replaced by 20-mm MG FF cannons, even without the engine mounted gun.

it means: or 2 MG FF in the wings, and 2 in the nose.

or

1 MG FF in the engine, and 2 in the nose, and 2 in the wings

in other site i read this:

Armament: two MG 17 7.9-mm machine guns with 1,000 rpg; two MG FF 20-mm cannon in wings with 60 rpg; optional engine-mounted MG FF/M 20-mm cannon with 200 rounds (note with engine cannon, machine gun armament dropped to 500 rpg)

if Oleg put the engine cannon, hope he don't remember the problems that it implicate... massive vibration, inaccurate, jam...

Will be great, 1 center cannon, 2 center machineguns, and another 2 machine guns in the wings. nicy





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Old 02-24-2010, 05:34 AM
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I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it. The best argument I heard against it being possible is that the oil tank would be in the way of the breech. This is just a vague recollection, though.
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I've heard several times that the 109E never had an engine-mounted gun apart from as a problematic prototype that never went into production and that it's just a misconception that's been reprinted since an author in the '60s initially made the mistake of writing it.
The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon. The Ersatzteilliste, Flugzeug-Handbuch, Kennblatt, Ladeplan, nor any other documentation used to operate and maintain the aircraft do not reflect an option for an engine mounted cannon.

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Old 02-25-2010, 10:22 AM
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What Crumpp said.

That "E-3 with central cannon" is BS in its truest form but as sticky as old bubble gum. Just because one author listed it in an ancient book on the 109 series (which was full of errors anyway) and because countless other authors were too lazy to check the facts themselves and copied said mistakes it doesn't mean it's true, you know?
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The Emil never had an engine mounted cannon.
What is the purpose of the gun port in the spinner on various E-models, if it is not for an engine mounted gun?

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Old 02-25-2010, 12:12 PM
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Bf 109E:

Time to height: to 9,840ft 31 minutes, to 19,685ft 71 minutes



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That link's utter BS.
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What is the purpose of the gun port in the spinner on various E-models, if it is not for an engine mounted gun?

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Same "ports" in spinner tips had Bf110C/D/E. It is for cooling the magneto, and not for cannon mounting.
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Same "ports" in spinner tips had Bf110C/D/E. It is for cooling the magneto, and not for cannon mounting.
OK, thanks! I have allways thought that was a gun port.

Strange that some versions of the E-model has it, and others don't.

In the illustration on page 1 of this thread it seems like all versions up to the E-3 and the E-4/B has a hole in the spinner, while the E-4 and E-7 has a conventional spinner.

On F-models and later models the spinner is quite different.

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