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IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey Famous title comes to consoles.

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Old 11-30-2009, 01:22 AM
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I love Firefox, despite the cheesy flashbacks and "think in Russian!" thing.
Best to watch it as a spy flick with some cool stealth fighters than a "flight" movie. Good times and a damn cool looking fighter.
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Old 11-30-2009, 03:22 AM
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The funny thing about the film is that most of the design of the aircraft was pretty much "cutting edge" real tech at the time. The forward canards for instance, and the cockpit instruments and controls. The plane had FLIR/AG&AA passive radar and active radar, analogue and digital read outs, rear aspect cam, had an angular design like the F117 (implying stealth), super cruise engines, internal weapon bays (again implying stealth).

What the film really showed was that the US was already way beyond the Russians in aircraft technology thinking and they didnt even realise it. They were assuming that the Russian boffins were near to or keeping pace with them on development.
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Old 11-30-2009, 03:28 AM
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I saw Battle of Britain and Tora Tora Tora (tora tora was great), I still need to see Blue Max and Firefox. I also have being waiting for the Red Baron to come out (it says "in theatres April" :S), I saw Flyboys lol.

There is Red Tails coming out in 2010, and I just noticed that there a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen already titled "Tuskegee Airmen" odd (came out 1995, just found it on youtube too, popcorn ready hehe)

Weird as it may be, the first aerial combat movie I saw was Independence Day lol (poor old man, his missile jammed)
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Old 11-30-2009, 04:48 AM
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Add me to those people who feel that CGI still can't compare to footage of real planes. Battle of Britain is great, as is the Czech film Dark Blue World, which used computers to modify a lot of the unused footage from Battle of Britain! Much better than using all-CGI effects.

I also agree The Blue Max is awesome. It is also one of the few aerial combat movies that is interesting as a character study. The action is great too; the CGI in Flyboys looks ridiculously fake in comparison.

I don't want to veer off too far into science fiction shows, but I did love the dogfight between the Marine colonel and Chiggy Von Richtofen in Space: Above and Beyond -- awesome use of Beethoven's Funeral March for the music! Battlestar Galactica should get a mention -- almost every space battle was great -- but with the fighters moving realistically in space, it probably shouldn't be considered "dogfighting" anymore.
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Old 11-30-2009, 04:57 AM
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I still need to see Blue Max and Firefox. I also have being waiting for the Red Baron to come out (it says "in theatres April" :S), I saw Flyboys lol.
I guess you must never watch TV if you've never seen The Blue Max. It's a great classic. Red Baron was released a while ago, it's been available on dvd and blu-ray for some time.

The US was nervous about the Soviet planes because they were confused by the mig-25 and the su-27, which they thought were the same plane. They thought it was a mach-3.2 plane that could also dogfight.

I don't think the US was ahead of the Russians as far as dogfighting planes went. Mig-29's can handle f-16's, and su-27's and f-15's are about even. The US has developed stealth but the Russians have developed OVT. Stealth tech won't last as long as OVT.
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Old 11-30-2009, 05:50 AM
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I guess you must never watch TV if you've never seen The Blue Max. It's a great classic. Red Baron was released a while ago, it's been available on dvd and blu-ray for some time.

The US was nervous about the Soviet planes because they were confused by the mig-25 and the su-27, which they thought were the same plane. They thought it was a mach-3.2 plane that could also dogfight.

I don't think the US was ahead of the Russians as far as dogfighting planes went. Mig-29's can handle f-16's, and su-27's and f-15's are about even. The US has developed stealth but the Russians have developed OVT. Stealth tech won't last as long as OVT.
The Red Baron is out on DVD, but not here in the US. For some reason, they've decided to hold off on a US release or something? I would love to get my hands on a copy though, so maybe I'll have to get one from Amazon.de?

Anyway, I agree that OVT will last longer than Stealth tech. I mean there are no other countries in the world that are using stealth as an offensive measure besides the US. France, Britain, Germany, etc. etc. are all either keeping with what they have or just modifying their current stuff to accommodate the changing times. Russia is smart because they're not over thinking their bounds, and are keeping with OVT. While the US is definitely over thinking the situations. I don't think there are any current US enemies or threats that are using technology for or against stealth planes.
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Old 11-30-2009, 06:17 AM
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has anyone seen this? :S

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Old 11-30-2009, 07:56 AM
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Thats a classic scene. I remember seeing that on TV when I was a kid. The aircraft carrier gets sucked through some time vortex to Pearl Harbour just before the Japanese attack.
Speaking of Pearl Harbour, the film was rubbish but there were some nice scenes when the US fighters finally take off. Only about 2 minutes worth though.
Red Barron was good but the ground based drama was pretty poor.
Blue Max and Battle Of Britain of course are the best.
Nobody mentioned Aces High. That was pretty disturbing to see as a young kid. I always remember the guy jumping from his plane burning all the way down
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Old 11-30-2009, 09:48 AM
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Cheers for posting that clip edal, brightened up Monday morning no end
Although now I want to watch the whole film - I love Final Countdown.

Probably a stupid question guys, but what's "OVT"?
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Old 11-30-2009, 01:28 PM
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Ah yes, the Final Countdown. 90 minutes of building up to what could have been an *incredible* alternate timeline flick...but not. LOL
If only there was a sequel with them still in 1941 kicking ass in that carrier!

Read Weapons of Choice by John Birmingham for a more pro-active take on that kind of situation.


The only things that really got shot down in Iron Eagle were the last remnants of respectability in Louis Gossett Jr's career.
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