Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[ramstein]

Originally Posted by FC99

We are doing something about CoG/fuel issue.

For the rest of the crowd, whining doesn't help, only well documented and researched problems will be taken into consideration for fix.

FC

Yes! for the first time, since iL-2 and the P51 hit the computer hard drive... I have been jazzed about someone actually saying it's even being looked at..

Holy frakking cow! I am very happy! and you guys have really made lots and lots of pilots very very happy giving them hope!

(actually Oleg did do some work, but came up short...) he abondonded us on these issues, after he mostly fixed the wings breaking at 425 mph.. and a small bit of 50 cal sync changing....

[KG26_Alpha]

Before I start.

Im very grateful to TD for getting v409m finished and appreciate all the hard work done by its members

But.

Im stunned at the ignorance shown here, I thought we had an opportunity to use the modders in a positive way but it looks like they have an agenda that's not as transparent as it seems.

Ignoring and quite frankly ridiculing suggestions and comments made in a genuine way is quite frankly depressing, I had hoped we were getting a mature team of modders taking IL2 1946 seriously.

If it looks like the most talked about problems over the last 5 years of IL2 are simply cast aside and regarded as whining then its an opportunity greatly missed by TD and will be a mistake to their future credibility.

I'm finished with this thread and totally disappointed with the attitude shown here.

Edit below

Now no matter what you do with the P51 until it flies like a Spitfire has Fw190 armament and Panzer armour you will be for ever making adjustments to it.

[csThor]

Alpha - With all due respect but I have read no "genuine" suggestions but rather general statements about feelings, experiences and "things long known" ... So what is exactly the problem? Giving the "disease" a name and listing its symptoms is preliminary to finding a "cure". But seriously - pointing at a five-year old 35-page thread with just "All you need is in there" is about as genuine and productive as folding a paper plane and trying to sell it to your country's air force as new multi-role combat aircraft.

Bottom line is DT isn't Maddox Games, we didn't write this engine. If you didn't expect miracles from Oleg's team then don't expect them from us. If you perceive something as broken then prepare your request thoroughly: name the problem, describe it as thoroughly as possible, add serious documentation on the issue. And no 5-year old 35-page threads form the Zoo don't count here.

[Brain32]

FW fuel leak: It leaks like no other - period. It's not an occasional "Oh look it leaked entirely" it's consistent leaking where you loose entire fuel load in a matter of a minute or two and it happens EXTREMELY often!

FW controls issue - it's really not an exception, I've loosed all three controls in many planes, the issue are the hitboxes and as we know it's a simple limitation, for me it's pretty much the same if you loose your elevator or all 3 controls, either way I'm hitting the silk so I don't see anything to fix here really...

50cal weapon accuracy - it's hard to for me to understand what exactly people want with this - guided bullets?
Let's look at history, the 50cal's were probably changed more often than anything in the game, I saw all those threads and I also remember they were changed several times by popular demand, and even changed back to previous state by using the same reason - inaccuracy, after so much BS surrounding this matter one can't really say what is accurate and what is not

P-51 CoG - with full fuel the thing was nearly dangerous to fly even as per the manual, I hope changes wont make a trainer class aircraft of it at 100% of fuel okay?

[nearmiss]

I think everyone is excited about the possibilities of competent developers taking a turn with IL2 and fixing,fixing,fixing.

It maybe frustrating to you after you vent your frustrations,etc. and the developer seems to be giving you the brush off. This is just the beginning of the improvements to Il2, which are forthcoming.

Facts are, historically the Ubi boards were constantly in a flux over all manner of things people wanted fixed and were very vocal about those fixes. Builidng a CFS is no small task, and with all the aircraft and graphic additions to preserve interest in the sim the developer just looked away on many issues.

People want more stuff, and that is the real issue. If users would just back off all the constant barrage of requests for a new aircraft, object,etc. and let the developer work steadily work through issues with what we have... that would be a best course of action.

My gosh, we are a spoiled lot. Go over to BOB II WOV and there are only a handful of flyable planes and they are constantly tweaking those few aircraft FM and DM. In IL2 we have how many flyable aircraft, and how much time and human resources are available to spend on all the various aircarft models?

I've so often thought why doesn't Oleg stop with all the new stuff and work with what he's got. Don't get me wrong, I think Oleg and his team have done alot with FM and DM issues. Yet, they haven't worked through all the fixes a myriad of users continue to turn up.

As I recall, I built missions and campaigns on the Kuban map for appx 2years and that was all I did. That was back in the Forgotten Battles days, and I never left the Kuban for over 2 years of IL2 enjoyment. There has always been so much in this sim to keep renewing interest.

Arguing with the DT about a zillion fixes you think necessary maybe early, afterall we don't even have their first patch release. Incremental changes in the IL2 will be the way to go, fixing stuff that has priority should be the way to go at it.

I always hated the big frame bars in the 190 and my thoughts were shared by many at Ubizoo, but Oleg was set on those bars. LOL

I'm for talking about things that DT can do, but I sure think at this point we should give them the latitude to work on the issues we bring up they are interested to fix. IMO, arguing with the DT, not a good thing. We need to give them encouragement. Afterall, most of users have written off the IL2 and had no hopes for it, at least on an approved basis.

[dl-3b]

What a bunch of arrogant and disrespectfull MF-ing whiners!!!!
S... the F.... up!!!!

[FC99]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Im stunned at the ignorance shown here, I thought we had an opportunity to use the modders in a positive way but it looks like they have an agenda that's not as transparent as it seems.

you can't use us, be sure, but you can research and document problems."I'm right because I've been flying this sim from demo days" is not valid argument, if that is only backup people have than their request will be ignored.

We don't have any hidden agenda, our agenda is clear and transparent, we are making best possible sim out of Il2 engine, we don't work for money, we don't have to care about the balance and we don't have to care about red and blue side. Historical accuracy is the only thing that matters.

If you honestly check this thread you can see that we are dealing with issues that are proven beyond the doubt like compressibility and mach limits.

What we don't want to do is to make changes based on popular myths.

Ignoring and quite frankly ridiculing suggestions and comments made in a genuine way is quite frankly depressing, I had hoped we were getting a mature team of modders taking IL2 1946 seriously.

Polite and serious questions will get serious and polite response, I will not waste my free time on political correctness and whiners who can't backup their claims with facts.

If it looks like the most talked about problems over the last 5 years of IL2 are simply cast aside and regarded as whining then its an opportunity greatly missed by TD and will be a mistake to their future credibility.

Most talked doesn't equal real, some of the most talked things are pure myths.

Now no matter what you do with the P51 until it flies like a Spitfire has Fw190 armament and Panzer armour you will be for ever making adjustments to it.

Talkin' about agenda , same thing we can say about FW190 or any other plane in game, there are always people who can't accept reality.

Originally Posted by Brain32

FW fuel leak: It leaks like no other - period. It's not an occasional "Oh look it leaked entirely" it's consistent leaking where you loose entire fuel load in a matter of a minute or two and it happens EXTREMELY often!

There is nothing in game code that would make FW190 any different than other planes with self sealing tanks, if you don't believe LesniHU and me than take a look at game code yourself or find somebody who you trust and ask him to check code. If you find an error I'll correct it.

Perceived difference is more likely caused with the fact that FW is extremely tough plane which will fly long enough for big fuel leak to happen. You will not get it that often in Bf109 simply because you will be blown out of the sky after first burst.

Here are few screenshots with P-51D losing all fuel too. You can see that I rotated wing 90deg to make it easier to hit fuel tank, in normal wing position it is way easier to cut off whole wing than to hit tank strong enough to produce big fuel leak.



I guarantee you that every plane with self sealing tanks behave the same, main difference is that some carry more fuel so it takes more time for whole fuel to leak.

FW controls issue - it's really not an exception, I've loosed all three controls in many planes, the issue are the hitboxes and as we know it's a simple limitation, for me it's pretty much the same if you loose your elevator or all 3 controls, either way I'm hitting the silk so I don't see anything to fix here really...

Finally somebody who understand that there is no any practical difference between losing all three controls and losing elevator and ailerons.

P-51 CoG - with full fuel the thing was nearly dangerous to fly even as per the manual, I hope changes wont make a trainer class aircraft of it at 100% of fuel okay?

More dangerous with 100%, more forgiving with low fuel. Nothing "uber" just slightly different and more interesting to fly.

FC

[KG26_Alpha]

FC99 don't put words in my mouth please.

[Brain32]

Originally Posted by FC99

There is nothing in game code that would make FW190 any different than other planes with self sealing tanks, if you don't believe LesniHU and me than take a look at game code yourself or find somebody who you trust and ask him to check code. If you find an error I'll correct it.

Ummm since the only one that fits that description would be you(no disrespect to LesniHU) I would say that is it then

[JG27CaptStubing]

Originally Posted by Brain32

FW fuel leak: It leaks like no other - period. It's not an occasional "Oh look it leaked entirely" it's consistent leaking where you loose entire fuel load in a matter of a minute or two and it happens EXTREMELY often!

Hmm I guess I'm not the only one that knows this problem along with a zillion other FW drivers over the years. I will put together a track then maybe just maybe it will get looked at.