Rebalancing of tanks needed!

[Crni vuk]

Originally Posted by Nikitns

OK, sure, there may have been a few late T-34/76 models on the front in 1945, but the majority of the tanks were already T-34/85. 50k T-34/85 were produced out of 80k T-34's.

Do you count the T34 numbers as whole or only numbers from WW2.

Many times I can read the production numbers of all T34 together (including the 76mm AND 85mm version) not to be more then aprox 50 000 units in WW2 with eventualy 18 or 19 000 produced T34-85 all not acurate numbers of course. Dont forget they still produced many units right after the war and the 85mm saw service in many soviet controled nations and it also saw some action in the Korean war and some even have been seen in the yugoslavian wars during the 90s!

I have no doubts that there have been many 85mm versions around. 80k units seems a bit much even for the Soviets if you consider that they eventualy produced around 1200 units per month eventualy and the War in Europe was over by April 1945

Originally Posted by Nikitns

With APHE round it achieved a penetration of 180mm steel at 1000m. I don't know if the armour was angled nor the quality of the armour.

German 8.8 cm KwK 43 achieved penetration of 160mm steel @60 at 1000m using the APCBC round..

It is safe 2 say that these weapons were comparable. Also King Tiger frontal armour was 100mm IRL, not ******* 180mm (that was the turret only).

Su-100 should have far higher penetration stats than it has now.

Doubtfull. Very doubtfull. Soviet guns have not been known for their quality in penetration. Hence why they usualy used simply biger guns compared to German vehicles like 100, 122 and 152mm even. It was cheaper to simply increase the size of the caliber then making high quality AP shells which was feared to slow down production numbers of shells and guns. I know it was not the only reasons. The IS2 was seen for example as brake trough tank with anti tank guns, pill boxes and bunkers as main targets since those have been in 1944 much more common then German tanks.

So the AP, APCBC (which was the German standart AP shell) can not be really compared simply with the AP shells of soviet vehicles which many times did not contained so many rare materials like German shells. What the soviets needed was something that could be produced everywhere and easily.

I thrust Battlefield.ru more then wikipedia though. Not that I say any of them are reliable sources compared to books. But I have yet to found any good informations out there about soviet guns. It seems there are a lot more available about German US/British guns (including the 17pf for example).

Though 180mm penetration seems a bit high for the Su100. Eventualy against plates with 90° angle ?

The real issue I have is that the Su100 has already trouble sometimes to penetrate the Tiger 1 and Panther front armor which really should NOT be anything of a problem.

But it seems that penetration and damage is sometimes pretty strange anyway. Seen to many times Pumas taking direct hits from 76 and 85mm guns even doing NOTHING at all. And that on close distance ... other times you see your tank geting killed from half the map in its side. Other times nothing at all. I have no clue if its from lags, or what ever or if they even simulated somehow shells which failed in penetration. If yes then its a bit overdone though.